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The Cessna Grand Caravan is certified for flight in known ice. Many other part 135 planes are as well. Unfortunately there are times when icing conditions exceed the aircrafts ability to de-ice. This was likely one of those times. It’s also a well known issue with 208’s. www.faa.gov/lessons_learned/small_airplane/accidents/N208TF
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Icing turns those planes into lawn darts. Sad situation.
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Icing aint no joke. I lost a helluva good friend and roommate when an ATR went down in Roselawn, IN on Halloween, 1994.I'm more than glad to sit peaceably when told the plane has to delay takeoff to go get deiced. RIP, Brad, and all the folks on that AK plane. FS
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Why does it take 1-2 years to get the official results? Lab/ inspection place back-log?
When my FIL plane was pulled up on the Cour D'Alene Lake dock, the inspector, having talked to Russ, took one look at the engine and said - and I quote - "That's it then!"
Mechanic changing the oil there had put in a fixed gear oil plug instead of the one for retractable gear, which when it came up, broke off the elephant ears, draining the oil on climb-out.
That was cut and dried, but still the official report didn't come out for months, perhaps a year or more. Don't remember, but it seemed an unreasonably long time.
Last edited by las; 02/09/25.
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las: I agree with you. A good friend I flew A-4's with was retired and giving a biannual flight review in a RV-12. The aircraft was found in a shallow pond with 2 fatalities. No information for over a year. Much later the accident cause was determined to be bird strikes. At the crash site before the casualties were removed from the aircraft feathers were found in the cockpit and were sent to the National History Museum. The report within a week identified the feathers were from blue winged teal.
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Anybody know anything about the "item of interest" that was found?
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Anybody know anything about the "item of interest" that was found? Old article and I believe that the item of interest was the plane.
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The Cessna Grand Caravan is certified for flight in known ice. Many other part 135 planes are as well. Unfortunately there are times when icing conditions exceed the aircrafts ability to de-ice. This was likely one of those times. It’s also a well known issue with 208’s. www.faa.gov/lessons_learned/small_airplane/accidents/N208TFEspecially with that belly pod they run on them. That thing impacted so hard that the victims probably didn't feel the impact.
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The Cessna Grand Caravan is certified for flight in known ice. Many other part 135 planes are as well. Unfortunately there are times when icing conditions exceed the aircrafts ability to de-ice. This was likely one of those times. It’s also a well known issue with 208’s. www.faa.gov/lessons_learned/small_airplane/accidents/N208TFEspecially with that belly pod they run on them. That thing impacted so hard that the victims probably didn't feel the impact. One can sure hope. Such a sad deal and affects so many.
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Why does it take 1-2 years to get the official results? Lab/ inspection place back-log?
When my FIL plane was pulled up on the Cour D'Alene Lake dock, the inspector, having talked to Russ, took one look at the engine and said - and I quote - "That's it then!"
Mechanic changing the oil there had put in a fixed gear oil plug instead of the one for retractable gear, which when it came up, broke off the elephant ears, draining the oil on climb-out.
That was cut and dried, but still the official report didn't come out for months, perhaps a year or more. Don't remember, but it seemed an unreasonably long time. Usually there is a preliminary report in short order that is very high percentage of cause.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Absolutely tragic. So many lives affected for many years. I especially feel for those children who lost a parent
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Preliminary reports from the NTSB suggest that the plane was overloaded with cargo and baggage by more than 1,000 pounds at takeoff, a critical factor that may have contributed to the crash. Investigators are examining whether the excess weight affected the aircraft’s performance, particularly in light of reported icing conditions. More here: https://mustreadalaska.com/ntsb-rep...ignificantly-overloaded-when-it-crashed/
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The plane was loaded in UNK. West Coast Aviation handles ground service for most airlines servicing UNK. WC employee would have handed the pilot a manifest showing pax, and baggage and weights. Very unlikely the manifest showed the plane over weight. Apparently mistakes were made and the pilot thought the plane was in limits. I am reluctant to believe the pilot would have departed with a plane he knew that was far overweight!!
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Quick numbers show fuel burned was well under 400#... so still over 600# over.
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