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The Creed definitively has the advantage over the 308 at 1K for the OP's use.
But again, if that is what he wants, it is his money...
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I am not really a big 308 Winchester fan, but I am really proud of Keith! Only 13 points dropped for the SWN's. You don't get to pick your conditions when you are shooting a match. A Perfect score, meaning all Shots were in the 10 Ring/10" diameter (1000 yards) would have been 1250, so 125 Shots for record score, with all but 13 shots being in the 10 Ring at a grand 1MOA or 10". 72 of those shots were 5" inches or less to the center of the target at 1000 yards-Impressive. Using the 200.20X Berger https://youtube.com/shorts/z75TLxQFPSY?si=gRlW0GCQbfCVdOVj
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Stems from the military thing I think.
The F/ Open crowd can shoot what the want for the most part , they are the top fuel dragsters of the fullbore World. :>)
Cat I did some quick web searches. Looks like 1966 is when Fullbore/Trget Rifle/TR got started. Looks like it evolved from Service Rifle/SR. F-Open at SWN's winning grand Agg (Tim Vaught) was 1245-66...Only dropped 5 points! I think he is still shooting a 300 WSM with Berger's-Not sure https://youtube.com/shorts/U5DaWXxPcYM?si=1e7PFCOpraSsEM1E
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I am not really a big 308 Winchester fan, but I am really proud of Keith! Only 13 points dropped for the SWN's. You don't get to pick your conditions when you are shooting a match. A Perfect score, meaning all Shots were in the 10 Ring/10" diameter (1000 yards) would have been 1250, so 125 Shots for record score, with all but 13 shots being in the 10 Ring at a grand 1MOA or 10". 72 of those shots were 5" inches or less to the center of the target at 1000 yards-Impressive. Using the 200.20X Berger https://youtube.com/shorts/z75TLxQFPSY?si=gRlW0GCQbfCVdOVjGreat shooting for sure, especially in the conditions last week. To clarify a bit 15 shots of the LR agg are at 800 yards, another 15 at 900 yards, with the remaining 95 at 1000.
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Thank You For Clarifying That @MikeS
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I have a RPR in 308, bangs steel fine out to 600 yards. I stole this NIB off Gunbroker for $800. Isn’t the barrel life in a 308 2X the 6.5 Creedmoor?
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Barrels are cheap. Misses are expensive. The Kreed is a fhuqking STEAL,like few others. Hint.
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Isn’t the barrel life in a 308 2X the 6.5 Creedmoor? That would probably be close. It comes down to what you want...
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I am a sling'n'irons competitive shooter out to 900 meters , we use either the .223 or the 308 .
If I was allowed to use a 6.5 Creedmoor, both the former cartridges would be dropped right now !
I have shot the Creedmoor pretty extensively ( as well as other 6.5 cartridges) at targets and game, and as Stick says, it simply stomps the 308 "out there"
Cat .......Why won't they let you shoot the Creed? Only 223 and 308s allowed? yep only 223 -308 in the FTR regular class , everything else goes in the unlimited class , i have a single shot rifle with a Brux barrel 8 twist 223 for the regular class in FTR .
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I am a sling'n'irons competitive shooter out to 900 meters , we use either the .223 or the 308 .
If I was allowed to use a 6.5 Creedmoor, both the former cartridges would be dropped right now !
I have shot the Creedmoor pretty extensively ( as well as other 6.5 cartridges) at targets and game, and as Stick says, it simply stomps the 308 "out there"
Cat .......Why won't they let you shoot the Creed? Only 223 and 308s allowed? ICFRA ( international Confederation of Fullbore Rifle Asscoations) dictate that in both TR and F/TR and shooting, only the .223 Remington ( 5.56x45)or 308 Winchester (7.62x51) cartridges can be used . However ,on any/any ( any sight any cartridge with sling) In NRA rules I THINK you cam shoot it, not sure as I have never shot NRA. Sort of like NASCAR, the rules are pretty rigid to keep it more about the shooter the the equipment . I'm okay with shooting within those rules , but many can't get their head around it . TR is a very demanding discipline, just getting g into position is hard for many and the concentration needed to shoot 15 rounds with an iron sighted unbraked rifle at a 2MOA bull at 1,000 meters is incredible Cat Cat, the 6.5 and 6 Creedmoor have become common in the any/iron, and any/any class here in the US. I have my Palma gun set up to full ICFRA standards so as to really compare apples to apples at the matches. 😎
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I am a sling'n'irons competitive shooter out to 900 meters , we use either the .223 or the 308 .
If I was allowed to use a 6.5 Creedmoor, both the former cartridges would be dropped right now !
I have shot the Creedmoor pretty extensively ( as well as other 6.5 cartridges) at targets and game, and as Stick says, it simply stomps the 308 "out there"
Cat .......Why won't they let you shoot the Creed? Only 223 and 308s allowed? ICFRA ( international Confederation of Fullbore Rifle Asscoations) dictate that in both TR and F/TR and shooting, only the .223 Remington ( 5.56x45)or 308 Winchester (7.62x51) cartridges can be used . However ,on any/any ( any sight any cartridge with sling) In NRA rules I THINK you cam shoot it, not sure as I have never shot NRA. Sort of like NASCAR, the rules are pretty rigid to keep it more about the shooter the the equipment . I'm okay with shooting within those rules , but many can't get their head around it . TR is a very demanding discipline, just getting g into position is hard for many and the concentration needed to shoot 15 rounds with an iron sighted unbraked rifle at a 2MOA bull at 1,000 meters is incredible Cat Cat, the 6.5 and 6 Creedmoor have become common in the any/iron, and any/any class here in the US. I have my Palma gun set up to full ICFRA standards so as to really compare apples to apples at the matches. 😎 Cool! wish I could get an any/irons match up here, but I can pretty much guarantee it won't happen . We can't even get an irons category in our steel matches anymore! well, we now have about a 10 MOA drift off topic here! LOL Cat
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I expect that the any/iron stages will be gone in the not too distant future here. Our AZ State Championship matches have dropped the any/iron day, and CMP has not had the requirement for some time. I'm thinking of re-barreling my .284 prone rifle into dedicated .308 Palma practice rifle. The cool kids here are shooting Palma class anyways.
Full value drift...😄
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Thanks for all the honest info, I am in agreement the Creed will probably best the 308 at long distance. I only have one place I can shoot to 650 yds (so for now that would be my max). I have a couple of 6.5 Creeds and a 6mm Creed, but in hunting rifles. So I am set up to load any of these calibers if I decide to go that route. Thanks again!
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I am a sling'n'irons competitive shooter out to 900 meters , we use either the .223 or the 308 .
If I was allowed to use a 6.5 Creedmoor, both the former cartridges would be dropped right now !
I have shot the Creedmoor pretty extensively ( as well as other 6.5 cartridges) at targets and game, and as Stick says, it simply stomps the 308 "out there"
Cat Sounds like you have an amazing lifetime career of competitive rifle shooting what are some of the big shoots you have attended.
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I am a sling'n'irons competitive shooter out to 900 meters , we use either the .223 or the 308 .
If I was allowed to use a 6.5 Creedmoor, both the former cartridges would be dropped right now !
I have shot the Creedmoor pretty extensively ( as well as other 6.5 cartridges) at targets and game, and as Stick says, it simply stomps the 308 "out there"
Cat Sounds like you have an amazing lifetime career of competitive rifle shooting what are some of the big shoots you have attended in the US. Sadly I have never shot Stateside, mostly Ontario and Alberta for fullbore, and smallbore 3 position , Nationals and Provincials when I lived in Ontario. I was getting ready to go for the team on the learly 2000's, but family tragedies interviened, so I lost my window of opportunity . I have now resigned myself to shooting mostly local matches but plan on shooting a few out of town events this year . Cat
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scopes are cool, but slings 'n' irons RULE!
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If you wanted to some money and have a more "customized" rifle, start with a Ruger American (gen 1 predator) and change out the stock for a Magpul, Boyd's, MTD, etc. It will get you away from the AR style platform, which is low on the ergonomic scale for some.
I'm not sure why a stainless rifle was suggested for your intended use.
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Stems from the military thing I think.
The F/ Open crowd can shoot what the want for the most part , they are the top fuel dragsters of the fullbore World. :>)
Cat I did some quick web searches. Looks like 1966 is when Fullbore/Trget Rifle/TR got started. Looks like it evolved from Service Rifle/SR. F-Open at SWN's winning grand Agg (Tim Vaught) was 1245-66...Only dropped 5 points! I think he is still shooting a 300 WSM with Berger's-Not sure https://youtube.com/shorts/U5DaWXxPcYM?si=1e7PFCOpraSsEM1ECatnthehat sent me some info relating to how long ago Fullbore/Target Rifle/TR have been around. "I saw you mention 1966 when the fullbore TR shooting got started, but the Creedmoore and Bisley matches were going on long before that for sure. queen Victoria actually had the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association formed way back when , and the .303 British was the cartridge https://dcra.ca/The DCRA lost its funding from the Bastid Gub'ment in the early 90's, and I that is when ICFRA was formed along with Fclass. I know Bill Wylde was involved in the first invitational Fclass matches. He shot a 22/250 then . My older brother made the Cadet team in 1966 and did well at Bisley. I still shoot that #4Mk1* he is using in the picture in fact!" Thanks Cat!
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NO matter the application,S/S is without peer. Mainly,because I actually fhuqking shoot. Hint.
Bang for the buck and from stem to stern,a S/S CTR reliably connects the most mechanical dots,as per the discussion,thus far. Hint.
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Rules, you can only use a .223 & .308 It's in the rules.
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I have both the 6.5 CM and the 308 in the same platform stock/barrel/receiver and the recoil from the 6.5 is noticeably less than the 308 which can make a difference when the rounds begin to stack up.
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