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Scottprice, have you thought about using a 20-grain bullet in the .17 Rem?
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The 25 'Max is tough to beat for Utility...but fhuqking lightyears shy of a Skookum 223. Nawww,a fhuqking BUNCH more than that. Hint.(grin)
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I presume you're killing eastern coyotes? I've heard they're bigger than western dogs, but have no clue. Correct, the coyote that won me this contest was 46.3 pounds
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Scottprice, have you thought about using a 20-grain bullet in the .17 Rem? I have not, I guess I just assumed a 25 or 30 grain hollow point would be better for a dedicated coyote rifle
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Scottprice, have you thought about using a 20-grain bullet in the .17 Rem? I have not, I guess I just assumed a 25 or 30 grain hollow point would be better for a dedicated coyote rifle FWIW after shooting a few, I think you're right..I prefer the 25 grain bullets. elkhunterm prefers something over 400 grains.... 
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I’d MUCH rather have a 1-7” 223 and good bullets. Hint.
Just sayin’………. I currently shoot a 223 and have not been overly impressed. I’ve tried 55gr match, 55gr soft points and 40gr vmax… i’ve pounded several right in the chest with lungs hanging out the other side, they drop, get back up and run 150 yards My experience was just the opposite. I have found the 223 to be a better coyote klller than the 17 Rem, and also I'll throw the 204 in as well. In the 223 I've used mostly the 50 grain VMax, but also various 55 grain bullets, and some 40 grain Noslers. If I were putting together a rifle strictly for coyotes, it would be either a 22-250 or a 243. But, I certainly wouldn't feel bad if all I had was a 223.
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Scottprice, have you thought about using a 20-grain bullet in the .17 Rem? I have not, I guess I just assumed a 25 or 30 grain hollow point would be better for a dedicated coyote rifle FWIW after shooting a few, I think you're right..I prefer the 25 grain bullets. elkhunterm prefers something over 400 grains....  
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It takes quite a bit,to whoop a Skookum 223 and nothing cited thus far,comes even fhuqking close. Hint.
Fairly fhuqking amazing,how VERY few folks have even a first fhuqking clue,about boolits. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
Just sayin'..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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You get to read about it,as you make Posters and Pretend aloud...you "lucky" kchunt! Hint. Congratulations?!?
Just sayin'...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Stick, is your disdain of the .17 Rem due solely to low B/C bullets? I can see that argument but I have found the .223, when using good bullets and in a somewhat light rifle such as my Kimber MT to have just enough recoil, that I loose sight picture at the shot. That isn't a big deal, but my light(ish) Rem 700 in .17 Rem has zero recoil, and watching a critter's reaction to being hit is fun and in some cases, beneficial. I really should use it more these days. Like a K-Horn and 35 VMAX, it ain't no 1,000 yard rifle, but it sure is fun to explode cute furry critters with and is a coyote and badger splat'n SOB. No Leupy comments please... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/KnvRDvi.jpg)
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Those low BC bullets really suck.... On coyotes... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/oTmeDho.jpg) On cats.... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/1DCmPRG.jpg) On foxes and the like... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/EktAnYC.jpg) And they suck mightily on hogs... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/t7Y5FsE.jpg) Could the dwarf from the norf possibly be wrong about something: Hint.
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smalltwig: I have to agree with others here - YOU are sofucking stupid you can NOT even put together an understandable sentence! Pathetic, ignorant and incoherent are the words that best describe your blather! On the rare occasion you burp up something understandable it most often turns out to be untrue/a lie/baseless! PLEASE.... go back under your rock and on your way there throw all your guns in the streams, rivers, lakes, canals, oceans, tarns and wells you pass by and take pictures once done. Sheesh, talk about rocks, you are as dumb as a rock. Please reconsider your idiotic, uninformative and stupid attempts at posting hereon. Double sheesh, for a double dumb, Alaskan (and thats a rarity anymore). Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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Scottprice: I am in 100% agreement with "Mart" above. I prefer the 25 grain Berger bullets in my 17 Remingtons (I currently have four of them!). I find the 17 Remington brass lasts long enough that I consider it economical - I am a notorious non-hotrodder when it comes to my handloads. My 17 Remingtons do great duty not only on the larger predators like Fox, Badgers and Coyotes but also on Rock Chucks, Prairie Dogs and feathered Varmints which when used on them they turn into clouds of feathers. Give the 17 Remington a try - I am sure you will like it. And perhaps the best, most reliable advice, anyone can give you - IGNORE anything that small twig (some now refer to this gun dunking idiot as small dick!) burps up. Good luck if you decide to go with the 17 Remington. Sounds like you are in Ground Hog country there - I know the 17 Remington will serve you well if you are so inclined! Long live the 17 Remington and accurate and all around as well as peak performing round. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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VarmintGuy, I won a custom rifle in a coyote contest, and I’d like to utilize the opportunity to build something unique, like a 17 Remington or 17-556. The intended purpose will be nighttime coyote calling.
I don’t want to “waste” a FREE custom build on something like a 204, 223, 22-250 etc.. They can be had for $450 off the shelf and be sub MOA.
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Stick, is your disdain of the .17 Rem due solely to low B/C bullets? I can see that argument but I have found the .223, when using good bullets and in a somewhat light rifle such as my Kimber MT to have just enough recoil, that I loose sight picture at the shot. That isn't a big deal, but my light(ish) Rem 700 in .17 Rem has zero recoil, and watching a critter's reaction to being hit is fun and in some cases, beneficial. I really should use it more these days. Like a K-Horn and 35 VMAX, it ain't no 1,000 yard rifle, but it sure is fun to explode cute furry critters with and is a coyote and badger splat'n SOB. No Leupy comments please... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/KnvRDvi.jpg) Zero Emotion involved and solely objective extrapolations. Bullets matter wayyyyyy more than headstamps and the 17's are simply hamstrung,due that Reality. None of which,is subject to debate. Purposely doing so on a Custom,well defines Goat Fhuqkery and is fhuqking FUNNY. Hint. As far as catching trace/impact,stock design certainly plays a part,as does scope selection. I tend to drive FAR more modest glass than most,regarding X's,so my view is very often more favorable,as an inherent default. None of which is a fhuqking "fluke". Pun(s) be intended. Hint.(grin) Now as Montuckies go,I shoot a goodly herd and as .378's in particular,catching trace/impact is a breeze,whether 7" 223,223AI or 7.5" 270. Mainstay Fodder being 88's and 105/8/12's(cyclin' through elder Lots). Hint. If ALL I had was a S/S 700 bushed bolt Lilja 9" in 17Rem with 25gr 'Max,would I be down and out? Nope,BUT I would be a VERY fhuqking distant Second Fiddle,to a Skookum 223. Perhaps the pill wouldn't be nearly as bitter,if I didn't know ANY fhuqking better and didn't have dozens of Customs to extrapolate,in the first hand?!? I drive 6x MQ's on all particulars,thus far cited. Hint.(grin) It is a not so fhuqking curious constant,that them who have only seen/shot ONE side of the fence,dig spurs in deepest. Them who have shot the BEST bullets in all,leave the 17's lingering far behind,for anything bordering upon Serious Utility. That reality,hurts Tender Feelers,as The Do NOTHING Gang reliably attests,if only obliviously. Drooling Dumb Fhuqks with Schit Riggin',ain't a "barometer" of mucha' anything,other than Joe Average SURE in the fhuqk,ain't very fhuqking bright. Hint. Was suffering a Reupold this morning and was "rewarded" with their typical HILARITY. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/923/w22CEk.jpg) Not sweating things too much,as Cameron is sending a 6.5" 1913 rail with 75MOA,for 6x MQtitude. Should toss 40 Mil's on the erector,from the 50yd RRPCRBL#1 Fodder. It's played EXCEPTIONALLY nice in all of my Annie 54's and Vudoo's. I can smell Victory,over the reupold's stench. hint.(grin) But I digress... That being said and in "fairness" to these CLUELESS Crying Kchunts,they haven't the "means","abilities" or "comprehension" to connect a single fhuqking dot,or even fhuqking BEGIN to fathom the magnitude. Side by each extrapolations,of Skookum Wares in like conditions,quickly resolves ALL. Not to diminish ANY of the fhuqking HILARITY of their Imagination,Pretend,Google and Professional Victim Hurt Feeler Reports,as they do their "best" while DREAMING aloud. Hint. Simply ask 'em who has shot a Slookum 223 with a 62 ELD VT at 3300fps,if only for fhuqking startersa. The SILENCE is deafening,but oh sooooooo fhuqking FUNNY. Hint. Just sayin'..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Stick, is your disdain of the .17 Rem due solely to low B/C bullets? I can see that argument but I have found the .223, when using good bullets and in a somewhat light rifle such as my Kimber MT to have just enough recoil, that I loose sight picture at the shot. That isn't a big deal, but my light(ish) Rem 700 in .17 Rem has zero recoil, and watching a critter's reaction to being hit is fun and in some cases, beneficial. I really should use it more these days. Like a K-Horn and 35 VMAX, it ain't no 1,000 yard rifle, but it sure is fun to explode cute furry critters with and is a coyote and badger splat'n SOB. No Leupy comments please... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/KnvRDvi.jpg) Zero Emotion involved and solely objective extrapolations. Bullets matter wayyyyyy more than headstamps and the 17's are simply hamstrung,due that Reality. None of which,is subject to debate. Purposely doing so on a Custom,well defines Goat Fhuqkery and is fhuqking FUNNY. Hint. As far as catching trace/impact,stock design certainly plays a part,as does scope selection. I tend to drive FAR more modest glass than most,regarding X's,so my view is very often more favorable,as an inherent default. None of which is a fhuqking "fluke". Pun(s) be intended. Hint.(grin) Now as Montuckies go,I shoot a goodly herd and as .378's in particular,catching trace/impact is a breeze,whether 7" 223,223AI or 7.5" 270. Mainstay Fodder being 88's and 105/8/12's(cyclin' through elder Lots). Hint. If ALL I had was a S/S 700 bushed bolt Lilja 9" in 17Rem with 25gr 'Max,would I be down and out? Nope,BUT I would be a VERY fhuqking distant Second Fiddle,to a Skookum 223. Perhaps the pill wouldn't be nearly as bitter,if I didn't know ANY fhuqking better and didn't have dozens of Customs to extrapolate,in the first hand?!? I drive 6x MQ's on all particulars,thus far cited. Hint.(grin) It is a not so fhuqking curious constant,that them who have only seen/shot ONE side of the fence,dig spurs in deepest. Them who have shot the BEST bullets in all,leave the 17's lingering far behind,for anything bordering upon Serious Utility. That reality,hurts Tender Feelers,as The Do NOTHING Gang reliably attests,if only obliviously. Drooling Dumb Fhuqks with Schit Riggin',ain't a "barometer" of mucha' anything,other than Joe Average SURE in the fhuqk,ain't very fhuqking bright. Hint. Was suffering a Reupold this morning and was "rewarded" with their typical HILARITY. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/923/w22CEk.jpg) Not sweating things too much,as Cameron is sending a 6.5" 1913 rail with 75MOA,for 6x MQtitude. Should toss 40 Mil's on the erector,from the 50yd RRPCRBL#1 Fodder. It's played EXCEPTIONALLY nice in all of my Annie 54's and Vudoo's. I can smell Victory,over the reupold's stench. hint.(grin) But I digress... That being said and in "fairness" to these CLUELESS Crying Kchunts,they haven't the "means","abilities" or "comprehension" to connect a single fhuqking dot,or even fhuqking BEGIN to fathom the magnitude. Side by each extrapolations,of Skookum Wares in like conditions,quickly resolves ALL. Not to diminish ANY of the fhuqking HILARITY of their Imagination,Pretend,Google and Professional Victim Hurt Feeler Reports,as they do their "best" while DREAMING aloud. Hint. Simply ask 'em who has shot a Slookum 223 with a 62 ELD VT at 3300fps,if only for fhuqking startersa. The SILENCE is deafening,but oh sooooooo fhuqking FUNNY. Hint. Just sayin'.............. Makes sense (I think). Never thought about the stock and/or scope playing a part in watching trace or impact. Good to know. I had to drop down to 50 grain(ish) bullets to reliably see the trace/impact in my .223 MT. I am long limbed though and the stock is a bit short on me. Maybe that has something to do with it? I plan to replace the 6x36 once I get off my ass and get motivated to do so. I am just way more of a hunter than a shooter.
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Lever to get 3300 with 62's out of a 223?
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Simply ask 'em who has shot a Slookum 223 I'd imagine you won't get a single fella from Ugashik to Gordon who has shot a Slookum 223...
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I'm simply not into fhuqking around and do NOT. Hint.(grin) Only in Fhuqktardia,where these Google Gals hail from,are all wares "equal" or even fhuqking "close". That is NOT Reality,if only to their perpetual chagrin and my GREAT fhuqking enjoyment. CLUELESS Brokedick Professional Victims,crack me THE fhuqk up! Hint. The key is to simply connect dots,less concession(s). Such things are EASILY arranged,if one wishes. Side by each extrapolations,beat such matters into senses and such things are never not intellesting. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/DElk3f.jpg) Shooting more Skookum Splendor in a single outing,than the gals have or will in their "Life",fhuqks mightily with their pointy heads. We simply call it "Tuesday". Hint. Now were it a Dumbfhuqk Tournament,on the most STUPID way to fhuqk away a build,I've not said a word. Hint.(grin) Fhuqking LAUGHING!............ P.S. and by the way,Charles Slookum retired. Hint................
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