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That’s a great story! I was researching the Game Point loads yesterday and ran into a piece where modeling clay was used to test expansion and penetration. Surprisingly, the CCI FMJ blew a dang big hole in the block, but still penetrated well. Unlike many tests, the expansion was rested at 50 yards, the accuracy at 100. Those FMJs (TMJ) are supposedly favorites for slaughtering. https://www.americanhunter.org/content/top-6-22-wmr-hunting-loads/
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So specifically what ammo would you guys recommend for something like coyotes or foxes at 75 yds? Either the CCI or the good old Winchester 40 gr. JHP will work fine out to 75 yards. No need for the heavier bullets like the 50 gr. Federal so often recommended for coyotes. The 40's give plenty of penetration on game of that size and will actually expand nicely while the 50 grain Federal might as well be FMJ for all the expansion you'll get. Those 50s shoot pretty well in my CZ, but only the top three in the magazine feed reliably, and the POI is way low compared to faster stuff. 30gr VMaxes hit 1 1/2” higher than MaxiMags, which is usable. Ordered a box of Game Points, to try. Might be less ‘splody than the MMs, but hit close to them. We shall see. My BCA side-charger puts just about everything in the same place. I've found the 50 grainers to be excellent longer range killers than any lighter weight in my 22 magnum
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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So specifically what ammo would you guys recommend for something like coyotes or foxes at 75 yds? Either the CCI or the good old Winchester 40 gr. JHP will work fine out to 75 yards. No need for the heavier bullets like the 50 gr. Federal so often recommended for coyotes. The 40's give plenty of penetration on game of that size and will actually expand nicely while the 50 grain Federal might as well be FMJ for all the expansion you'll get. Those 50s shoot pretty well in my CZ, but only the top three in the magazine feed reliably, and the POI is way low compared to faster stuff. 30gr VMaxes hit 1 1/2” higher than MaxiMags, which is usable. Ordered a box of Game Points, to try. Might be less ‘splody than the MMs, but hit close to them. We shall see. The 30, 40 and 50 grain loads do the same in my two .22 magnum rifles in regards to POI. I keep them zeroed with 40's as I've found them to be the most accurate in both rifles and best suited to my uses.
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So specifically what ammo would you guys recommend for something like coyotes or foxes at 75 yds? Either the CCI or the good old Winchester 40 gr. JHP will work fine out to 75 yards. No need for the heavier bullets like the 50 gr. Federal so often recommended for coyotes. The 40's give plenty of penetration on game of that size and will actually expand nicely while the 50 grain Federal might as well be FMJ for all the expansion you'll get. Those 50s shoot pretty well in my CZ, but only the top three in the magazine feed reliably, and the POI is way low compared to faster stuff. 30gr VMaxes hit 1 1/2” higher than MaxiMags, which is usable. Ordered a box of Game Points, to try. Might be less ‘splody than the MMs, but hit close to them. We shall see. The 30, 40 and 50 grain loads do the same in my two .22 magnum rifles. I keep them zeroed with 40's as I've found them to be the most accurate in both rifles and best suited for my needs. I have found the best in terms of both accuracy and performance is the grey box 40 grain Winchester JHP's.
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So specifically what ammo would you guys recommend for something like coyotes or foxes at 75 yds? Either the CCI or the good old Winchester 40 gr. JHP will work fine out to 75 yards. No need for the heavier bullets like the 50 gr. Federal so often recommended for coyotes. The 40's give plenty of penetration on game of that size and will actually expand nicely while the 50 grain Federal might as well be FMJ for all the expansion you'll get. Those 50s shoot pretty well in my CZ, but only the top three in the magazine feed reliably, and the POI is way low compared to faster stuff. 30gr VMaxes hit 1 1/2” higher than MaxiMags, which is usable. Ordered a box of Game Points, to try. Might be less ‘splody than the MMs, but hit close to them. We shall see. The 30, 40 and 50 grain loads do the same in my two .22 magnum rifles. I keep them zeroed with 40's as I've found them to be the most accurate in both rifles and best suited for my needs. I have found the best in terms of both accuracy and performance is the grey box 40 grain Winchester JHP's. For accuracy my Marlin shows a preference for CCI's while my Henry likes the Winchesters a little better. I do like the terminal performance of the Winchesters a little better, particularly on heavier game at very close range where the CCI is more prone to fragmentation while the Winchester will mushroom nicely and hold together better.
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Sold my 14" Ingram Contender barrel.
Now just have the 9422M and a CZ457 in mag.
Two bricks of old WW 40gr JHP.
They do well with it.
Was gonna take the 457 to the range today but too windy.
Just check zero. Was dead on at 50 last yr, double check is all.
Wears a VX3i 3.5-10X. Run it pretty much at 6X.
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It's been a while since I owned a .22 magnum rifle. I had a Ruger 77/22 boat paddle .. wish I still had it. I traded it for .. or traded for it, I forget which order .. a Win 9422 magnum. Both of those shot pretty well, inch an a quarter at 100 yards, with the CCI Maxi Mag +V 30 grain load. Killed quite a lot of ground squirrels with both guns. I'd be happy to have either back. Oops. I can't really bring myself to buy another .22 magnum with a very good .22 LR and a very good .17 HMR .. and an AR. Not much territory not covered. I still have a pile of that ammo. I had a 10" .22 LR contender barrel punched to .22 magnum and it shoots very well with that leftover ammo .. my revolvers sure haven't cared for it. Though it shoots a lot better scoped, for the situations where I use it, I prefer the iron sights so that's what's on it.
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That’s a great story! I was researching the Game Point loads yesterday and ran into a piece where modeling clay was used to test expansion and penetration. Surprisingly, the CCI FMJ blew a dang big hole in the block, but still penetrated well. Unlike many tests, the expansion was rested at 50 yards, the accuracy at 100. Those FMJs (TMJ) are supposedly favorites for slaughtering. https://www.americanhunter.org/content/top-6-22-wmr-hunting-loads/ Being a true FMJ, the Winchester FMJ is a lot tougher than the CCI TMJ. Still the CCI TMJ does considerably less damage to squirrels than the HP's but the Winchester FMJ would be the choice for max penetration.
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My cousin, a government trapper introduced me to the cartridge right after I got out of the Marines. As he said "it does everything you always wanted a .22LR to do."
I believe it is my favorite woods bumming cartridge. I thought I might be under gunned couple of times but I was mistaken.
I tend to stay with 40 grain loads. In general. I prefer Winchesters. I have used the round since the mid 70's and currently have five. Two pistols, a cricket, a 24D and a Ruger American compact.
For edible small game I tend to use solids. This includes grouse. For varmints up to coyote size I go to JHP. I have killed the odd coyote out to 125 yds.
A couple of times I used JHP on a rabbit. Only a little strip of skin held them together.
I have used it a bit on larger stuff. Mostly dispatching steers for a mobile butcher shop.
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I have killed the odd coyote out to 125 yds.. What about the normal, or 'even' ones?
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