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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Bigsqueeze,

Conventional oil does absorb and carry away heat better than synthetic.

Top Tier gas will do more to keep the crankcase clean than anything else (along with the valves and pistons), it’s about both the additives and the refining process, just like motor oil.

Ultra Platinum is good stuff. I use the Valvoline Maxlife because it does seem to minimize seeping oil on my high milage vehicles.

The EPA is driving fluid change recommendations, not the auto manufacturers.
........Alpine ...Went onto the Pennzoil site.

If anyone begins using the Ultra Platinum in their engine beginning at 125K miles or less along with an engine that is 72 months old or less, then Pennzoil will guarantee up to 750,000 miles of engine life if the manufacturer intervals are maintained. Proper receipt and mileage documentation a must should there be a breakdown.

Hardly anybody is gonna keep their vehicle for 750K miles. But it's good to know that if it's kept for 200 to 300K miles that the motor is still in good shape internally.

Pennzoil apparently hit a big home run with their ""natural gas"" oil formulations and confident enough to offer a 750K mile engine guarantee using their Ultra Platinum.......So I said. Why not start using it even though my Ram is not eligible.

Engine oil temps? As long as my coolant temp gauge needle reads just below the 1/2 way mark and my oil temp reads where it is supposed to then I'm fine. If the synthetic runs a tad hotter or cooler than conventional oils then so be it. Splitting hairs imo.
You know why they give that warranty? Because there will be almost zero chance that anyone will ever meet the hidden criteria to use it. Its a marketing play, nothing more. Try and get a new set of tires that ran out of tread before the mileage. Ive got a good one. Camper rubber roofs have a 10 year warranty, which is impossible to get them to stand behind. These crooked manufacturers have a million ways to get out of actually paying for anything.

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750,000? I wonder why people drive rattling junkers at 200,000.

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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
My '24 Tundra calls for 0-20 , per the manual and the oil fill cap.

I AM WRONG...

Mine does take 0W-20...

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We have 5 new Yotas... the other 4 take 0W-16... I was incorrect on the Tundra.




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Full Synthetic Kirkland Cosco oil in my gas cars change when it starts to drop a little in consumption around 3 to 4 k. No longer never had any oil related problems. In my 3.0 GM Diesel use the recommended GM Dexros D oil about same interval.


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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Based on what data?

I was WRONG... You are CORRECT.

0W-20




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Originally Posted by LRoyJetson
Oil analysis for $60, or change oil for $30.
Walmart oil and filter, 4 quart oil change?
My F250 takes 8 quarts so there will not be any $30 oil changes for me.


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Originally Posted by smarquez
Originally Posted by LRoyJetson
Oil analysis for $60, or change oil for $30.
Walmart oil and filter, 4 quart oil change?
My F250 takes 8 quarts so there will not be any $30 oil changes for me.

Not counting my time and digging out my Amish creeper - an oil change is about 100 bucks for me.

I'd rather just change it 2x a year, 5k in between rather than sit and go over UOA sheets and wondering etc. Done that enough in my life. I'll burn the Benjamin and go on with my day.


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Originally Posted by CashisKing
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Based on what data?

I was WRONG... You are CORRECT.

0W-20

CK, I was actually referring to the "never run anything heavier" statement. There are instances where you can safely run 0W-40 in an engine that calls for 0W-20. Certainly wouldn't do that in a low temperature environment, but interesting that this is the "fix" supposedly for the 6.2 L87 engine - not that there is enough data to support the "fix" at this time.

Gotta believe that GM is hanging their financial survival on this approach as there are 597,630 vehicles that may be affected. At cost & install that's something like $6.5 billion.


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3500 for all 4 rides ... Never was a fan of 0-20 oil ... Built a number of motors/trans... Oil film I can see and feel works better imo.


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Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Bigsqueeze,

Conventional oil does absorb and carry away heat better than synthetic.

Top Tier gas will do more to keep the crankcase clean than anything else (along with the valves and pistons), it’s about both the additives and the refining process, just like motor oil.

Ultra Platinum is good stuff. I use the Valvoline Maxlife because it does seem to minimize seeping oil on my high milage vehicles.

The EPA is driving fluid change recommendations, not the auto manufacturers.
........Alpine ...Went onto the Pennzoil site.

If anyone begins using the Ultra Platinum in their engine beginning at 125K miles or less along with an engine that is 72 months old or less, then Pennzoil will guarantee up to 750,000 miles of engine life if the manufacturer intervals are maintained. Proper receipt and mileage documentation a must should there be a breakdown.

Hardly anybody is gonna keep their vehicle for 750K miles. But it's good to know that if it's kept for 200 to 300K miles that the motor is still in good shape internally.

Pennzoil apparently hit a big home run with their ""natural gas"" oil formulations and confident enough to offer a 750K mile engine guarantee using their Ultra Platinum.......So I said. Why not start using it even though my Ram is not eligible.

Engine oil temps? As long as my coolant temp gauge needle reads just below the 1/2 way mark and my oil temp reads where it is supposed to then I'm fine. If the synthetic runs a tad hotter or cooler than conventional oils then so be it. Splitting hairs imo.
You know why they give that warranty? Because there will be almost zero chance that anyone will ever meet the hidden criteria to use it. Its a marketing play, nothing more. Try and get a new set of tires that ran out of tread before the mileage. Ive got a good one. Camper rubber roofs have a 10 year warranty, which is impossible to get them to stand behind. These crooked manufacturers have a million ways to get out of actually paying for anything.
.......Of course it is a marketing ploy. All marketing campaigns regardless of the product are "ploys" to entice buyers into buying their products. That's what marketing is all about.

As far as a zero chance of anyone meeting the hidden criteria? I'll disagree. According to Pennzoil, if anyone meets the beginning starting criteria using the Ultra Platinum to then continue changing the oil at manufacturers intervals and by chance a breakdown occurs prior to 750K miles, then Pennzoil will offer $$$ reimbursement for engine replacement IF ALL PAST receipt DOCUMENTATION IS IN ORDER showing purchase of the Ultra, quality oil filters and documented mileage.

Would you expect Pennzoil to offer say a 300K to a 400K mile guarantee instead as opposed to a 750K mile guarantee? Maybe a 200K mile guarantee?

In my correspondence with Pennzoil, their reasoning for offering a 750K engine guarantee using the Ultra Platinum is because of its natural gas formulations. No petroleum base products in the Ultra. Therefore no long term build up of any deposits or hardened varnish buildup on any internal engine parts, which if occur can affect engine tolerances over the long term.

Pennzoil I learned during the R & D, did extensive engine testing using the Ultra, breaking the motors down after more than 500K miles. Engines were also placed on engine stands to run during the R & D and then broken down as well.

Marketing ploy? Of course! Absolutely! Sure it is. But I don't believe that Pennzoil would just throw a 750K mile engine guarantee against the wall unless there was something substantial behind the product to back that up.

Pennzoil isn't stupid! Of course they know that most if not just about all folk will never keep their vehicles for 250K, 300K or more miles and will never use their guarantee. But for those that do and experience an engine breakdown prior to 750K miles using the Ultra? Well?

The $$$$ sales from the Ultra to Pennzoil will more than cover any future warranty breakdown costs.

Brilliant marketing "PLOY" by Pennzoil.


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What's the requirement to "document" the miles in-process?


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Whose responsibility is it to prove this? The bolded parts.

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will repair or replace, at its option and at its expense, the engine parts listed below, that fail on account of engine wear or which experience abnormal wear, because Pennzoil ® motor oil failed to provide proper lubrication.

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5. This Pennzoil Lubrication Limited Warranty does not cover claims that result from (1) pre-existing conditions (which may be verified through an oil spectro-chemical analysis, at SOPUS Products’ discretion), (2) collision, negligent or intentional abuse, (3) improper service or maintenance, (4) defect in manufacture or Listed Engine Parts, or caused by parts that are not Listed Engine Parts, (5) improper installation of any part, or (6) failure to maintain motor oil or engine coolant at levels prescribed by the manufacturer.

This seems pertinent, especially when talking about the value of a vehicle with 300k on it...

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ANY CLAIM IS LIMITED TO $5,000.00, OR THE ACTUAL CASH VALUE OF THE ELIGIBLE VEHICLE, WHICHEVER IS LESS, IF YOU JOIN THE PROGRAM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE HAS LESS THAN 75,000 MILES. IF YOU JOIN THE PROGRAM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE HAS 75,001 - 125,000 MILES, ANY CLAIM IS LIMITED TO $2,500.00, OR THE ACTUAL CASH VALUE OF THE ELIGIBLE VEHICLE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. YOUR REIMBURSEMENT UNDER THIS PROGRAM WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN QUALIFIED REPAIR EXPENSES. YOU MAY ONLY HAVE ONE (1) CLAIM PER ELIGIBLE VEHICLE UNDER THE PENNZOIL LUBRICATION LIMITED WARRANTY.


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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
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Originally Posted by Teal
Whose responsibility is it to prove this? The bolded parts.

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will repair or replace, at its option and at its expense, the engine parts listed below, that fail on account of engine wear or which experience abnormal wear, because Pennzoil ® motor oil failed to provide proper lubrication.

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5. This Pennzoil Lubrication Limited Warranty does not cover claims that result from (1) pre-existing conditions (which may be verified through an oil spectro-chemical analysis, at SOPUS Products’ discretion), (2) collision, negligent or intentional abuse, (3) improper service or maintenance, (4) defect in manufacture or Listed Engine Parts, or caused by parts that are not Listed Engine Parts, (5) improper installation of any part, or (6) failure to maintain motor oil or engine coolant at levels prescribed by the manufacturer.

This seems pertinent, especially when talking about the value of a vehicle with 300k on it...

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ANY CLAIM IS LIMITED TO $5,000.00, OR THE ACTUAL CASH VALUE OF THE ELIGIBLE VEHICLE, WHICHEVER IS LESS, IF YOU JOIN THE PROGRAM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE HAS LESS THAN 75,000 MILES. IF YOU JOIN THE PROGRAM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE HAS 75,001 - 125,000 MILES, ANY CLAIM IS LIMITED TO $2,500.00, OR THE ACTUAL CASH VALUE OF THE ELIGIBLE VEHICLE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. YOUR REIMBURSEMENT UNDER THIS PROGRAM WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN QUALIFIED REPAIR EXPENSES. YOU MAY ONLY HAVE ONE (1) CLAIM PER ELIGIBLE VEHICLE UNDER THE PENNZOIL LUBRICATION LIMITED WARRANTY.
.......Of course. Why would Pennzoil pay say $10K for example for a new motor to be placed in a vehicle worth far less or if involved in a collision that affected the engine?

There are certain warranty and guarantee restrictions that are understandable.

But at least there is some reimbursement if all of the eligibility, maintenance, receipts and documentation criteria is followed and is verifiable.


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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by CashisKing
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Based on what data?

I was WRONG... You are CORRECT.

0W-20

CK, I was actually referring to the "never run anything heavier" statement. There are instances where you can safely run 0W-40 in an engine that calls for 0W-20. Certainly wouldn't do that in a low temperature environment, but interesting that this is the "fix" supposedly for the 6.2 L87 engine - not that there is enough data to support the "fix" at this time.

Gotta believe that GM is hanging their financial survival on this approach as there are 597,630 vehicles that may be affected. At cost & install that's something like $6.5 billion.
I was pickup shopping last year and lots were FULL of used 6.2s. I knew something was up.

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After 16,000 miles My oil was not black. I wasnt near as dark as i thought it would be. I never had to add any oil between changes. Im at 40,000 miles and i will change it again at 56k

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