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I just looked at the E3 on my new FF 3-12x42 compared to the FFE1 4.5-14x42 and the center crosshair is noticeably thinner on the E3.
This might be the perfect range, point, and shoot budget scope that I've come across. I decided it's most likely going to go on my Howa Super Lite 6.5 Creedmoor that both myself and my son use. It will be great for him to not have to fumble with a side focus, as I've had to lay next to him and try to help him focus for the last couple seasons. He can learn the finer points of optic mechanics as he gets older, but for now as a 12yo, this seems like it will fit the bill nicely for the both of us and our realistic shots out to 300-400.
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When I had a chance to examine the whole line-up somewhat carefully, I thought that they were all pretty nice, but the 3-12x42 with illumianted wind reticle seemed like it would be the best general purpose option of the bunch.
I am primarily interested in the 3-12x56 because I was curious if they can pull off a proper low light scope at this price.
ILya Any thoughts on the 2-8x35? It seemed like a nice little scope. I did not spend too much time with it. It seemed like a notable step up from the earlier 2-7x35 from the short time I had with it. ILya
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3-12x42 landed today. Illuminated Wind reticle, zero stop, top turret exposed, side focus.Very compact and lots of “features” for a 1” scope, including 72 moa of adjustment. We shall see if all that’s true. Very positive clicks. Not gonna throw it off a cliff or into a stream, but it seems nicely put together. Not crazy about the red accents.
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i sent back a early electridot burris and they sent me a new signature series 3x15 lighted reticle. its really clear but made in china. it has forever warranty burris is a real pain to deal with online. took me 6 months to get the replacement
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These are made in the Philippines.
It only weighs a couple ounces more than the Droptine Rimfire scope on my 10/22 now, but is a lot more capable. How something that light would hold up in hard use is hard to say, but the Trijicon Accupoint 3-9s are 1” and lighter and supposed to be tough.
The rticle has a very small + at the center, all that lights up. Should allow a very fine hold. The light control has off positions between the settings.
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Have a E1 4.5x14 not bad glass
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I had one or two of those and found them a bit dim at 14x while shooting at steel located in some shade. That’s to be expected, given the size of the exit pupil. I have a 3-9x32 Sightron Rimfire that’s similar, just like Blackheart warned me. It is however, very light and compact, so suitable for small game and a good fit on a .22.
The Burris is also limited in adjustment range, so despite the adjustable focus, it was hindered as a .22 scope for reaching out. Fine for centerfire use though, for GP hunting.
The new Fullfields have more clicks on tap. Won’t know about the glass until I look though mine outside instead of through a window screen. The 6-24x50 has a really long main tube, so ought to fit on about anything.
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Burris confirmed that they were made in the Philippines. There was a fella on rokslide that jumped chin deep into these things and blew up burris's customer service with questions and he posted their replies. I believe the FF2 and E1 are Philippines and Fullfield IV are Chinese.
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He's not talking about the FFIV. He's talking about the new line that came out this year, which is made in the philippines.
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interesting models, like the 2.5-8x35, 100yrd parallax, eye relief 3-3.4", that e reticle though only designed for ~400 yards...do away with that this day and age rangefinders spit out solutions in either language, just give half mil increments to 3-5 mil or 2 moa increments to 20 moa and illuminated dot in the middle, sfp is fine for this price range
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It’s not Burris’s fault you’re shooting a cartridge with the trajectory of a rainbow. Any sorta halfway decent cartridge launched at modest speed will get 450 yards with the E3 reticle and a 200 yard zero, and fairly flat shooting rounds will garner 500 yards. In other words, as far as a hunter needs to be shooting with a ballistic reticle, or at all for that matter.
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It’s not Burris’s fault you’re shooting a cartridge with the trajectory of a rainbow. Any sorta halfway decent cartridge launched at modest speed will get 450 yards with the E3 reticle and a 200 yard zero, and fairly flat shooting rounds will garner 500 yards. In other words, as far as a hunter needs to be shooting with a ballistic reticle, or at all for that matter. This is where I'm at, more or less. I love having the ability to range and dial, but I also find that rarely am I in that position during hunting situations. Realistically all of my scenarios are 400 yards and closer, which makes a BDC type reticle perfect for my use. I know that I could possibly stretch to 500yds if need be, but most likely it's going to be range...point (prone or supported somehow)...shoot... I am intrigued with the Burris Veracity PH and their Eliminators that give immediate range/hold feedback, but those are in an entirely different price point. I think these Fullfields are sufficient for most hunters that will buy a scope in this price point.
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This is where I'm at, more or less. I love having the ability to range and dial, but I also find that rarely am I in that position during hunting situations. Realistically all of my scenarios are 400 yards and closer, which makes a BDC type reticle perfect for my use. I know that I could possibly stretch to 500yds if need be, but most likely it's going to be range...point (prone or supported somehow)...shoot... I am intrigued with the Burris Veracity PH and their Eliminators that give immediate range/hold feedback, but those are in an entirely different price point. I think these Fullfields are sufficient for most hunters that will buy a scope in this price point. Yep, the whole "dialing" thing is very cool but not needed for many hunts in my area. I do have a Veracity PH and its a feature packed, cool optic (heavy too). The Fullfield V I'm most interested in is the 2-8X35. There's a problem though. I want a simple duplex with an illuminated dot. The Ballistic E3 reticle isn't really doing it for me but I hope to check one out in person soon. The duplex is great but I'm hooked on lit reticles. Problems, problems...
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I put the 3-12 side focus wind reticle on my .224 Valkyrie AR-15. Plenty of eye relief and the glass seems very good for the price. I sighted it in for my dope this week, and then reset the zero stop. Next Wednesday I will do a "tall target" tracking test and report back. My Valkyrie is about a 1 MOA rifle with my current load with the 88 ELD-M so we won't have the finest granularity on the tall target test, but hopefully it'll at least show good tracking and return to zero. The clicks do feel very positive.
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I ran one yesterday with that same scope on my 10/22 at 50 yards, more or less following Stick’s suggestion (the WV version I suppose). Did pretty well I think. Description here: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/20513989/last-scope#Post20513989If I can get a pic to post, I will. Been dicey lately. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/289416.jpeg)
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That 2.5-8x35 looks interesting but I am afraid it will need a picatinny rail OR extended rings for the short front mounting part of the scope.... burris
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That 2.5-8x35 looks interesting but I am afraid it will need a picatinny rail OR extended rings for the short front mounting part of the scope.... burrisYes, especially if you want to mount it low on a man-size rifle and have the eye-relief useable. Might be perfect for a .22 or one of the Howa mini's or something. I had to get creative with a file and a couple Weaver bases. I got the 2-8 and the 2.5-10 where I want them but, barely. Otherwise, I really like them. Have not shot them yet. 2.5-10 on a M70: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/289472.jpg) 2-8 on the same M70: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/289473.jpg)
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interesting models, like the 2.5-8x35, 100yrd parallax, eye relief 3-3.4", that e reticle though only designed for ~400 yards...do away with that this day and age rangefinders spit out solutions in either language, just give half mil increments to 3-5 mil or 2 moa increments to 20 moa and illuminated dot in the middle, sfp is fine for this price range I don't know a reticle design to go up to 400 yards.. I would say that actually covers 90 plus percent of the hunters in this country nowadays. It actually ought to account for 99% of Truth be known...
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these new Burris if you look at the specs the eye relief is listed as being quite short That is a deal breaker for me.
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