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#4342478 - 08/20/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: bucktales]  
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Flaigs used two barrels as I recall, Douglass (WV, USA) and Boller (European). One was marked Flaig's Ace and the other was marked Flaig's; I don't want to say which was which as I can't remember and don't want to put out any bad poop.


Originally Posted by bucktales
Did Flaig make their own barrels?


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#4342493 - 08/20/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: sinebar]  
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I have a rifle built by Bill Sukalle in .300 Winchester, I remember Bill and his shop before his time was taken up when he was doing contract work for NASA which took up all of his time. He was truly a master barrel maker and really did some fine work on Mausers. His picture can be found in ROY DUNLAP's book GUNSMITHING. I also remember ROY DULAP from his day's with the Palma team and writing for the NRA he was a great gunsmith and rifle builder, along with a high power shooter.


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#4344035 - 08/20/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: 3sixbits]  
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Every time I hear the name Flaigs I remember stopping at the store whenever on the way to meet my girl friend at the time in Pittsburgh. What a candy store for gun nutz it was. I don't think I ever saw a place to compare.

#4344545 - 08/21/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: sinebar]  
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Sinebar, welcome to the 'fire. It's a wonderful thing to not only own a piece of history, but to have the knowledge and ability to use it.



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#4344642 - 08/21/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: shootinurse]  
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I bought a Sukalle sporter here on the Campfire Classifieds 2-3 months ago. My bore-scope shows one of the smoothest bores I've seen. It's as nice or nicer than the top barrels made from today, including Krieger and Lilja.

The rifle is made on a military 98 action, and the barrel is stamped ".257 Rem."--meaning .257 Roberts. The date code indicates it was made in 1948.

I've been too darn busy testing other rifles to shoot it yet, but am going to try to this coming week. It has a K4 Weaver in a Griffin & Howe mount and the results should be interesting!


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#4345233 - 08/21/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: Mule Deer]  
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bucktales--I have a Flaigs sporter built on an FN 98 action, with a round to octagon full ribbed barrel. The bottom of the barrel is marked "Flaig's, Austria 9-19-52". It is chambered in .300 Holland and Holland.


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#4345678 - 08/21/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: BlueDoe]  
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If your European barrel is marked Flaig's, I think it is safe to say the Flaig's Ace is the Douglass.


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#4345777 - 08/21/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: sbrmike]  
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A.O. Niedner of Dowagiac, MI was a famous barrel maker of a slightly earlier period, the 30s and 40s, as was John Dubiel. Another maker not previously mentioned is Hart. And I seem to recall that Melvin Johnson may have supplied barrels during the 50s.

#4346034 - 08/21/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: Bandukwallah]  
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Anyone remember Star "diamond lapped barrels? Not a premium barrel by any stretch (about eight bucks apiece for blanks in the late sixties to early seventies)They were a remarkably consistent barrel. Douglas was always a popular barrel; Hart was a real premium barrel.
Bauska barrels worked better than they looked. Buhmiller barrels were very good.
We used to be able to buy barrel blanks from Sako and they were good barrels. Same with Schulz& Larsen. GD

#4352015 - 08/23/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: greydog]  
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The gentleman that got me hooked on guns, hunting and shooting, had Bliss Titus barrels on many of his custom built rifles. This fellow was left handed. He had Remington 721 and 722 actions converted to left hand actions. He then had Bliss install barrels. I met this man in about 1959. I watched him shoot a Bliss barreled 220 Swift and put three shots into an area smaller than a dime at 100 yards and that it for me. I've been pulling triggers ever since. By the way, I was nine years old and he told me "that group is not so hot, you should see what the pros do". My friend also had what he called a "Baby .270". It was a .30 caliber model 99 necked down, shortened and barreled to .277. Could it have started life as a .300 Savage?

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#4352030 - 08/23/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: gregory]  
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Gregory, originally that 99 could have been in 303 Savage, 30-30, 300 Savage, or 308 depending on model and year. After rebarreling, might have been a "270 Savage" if he wanted it to work with minimal change to the rotors/etc. That's basically a 300 Savage cartridge necked down to .277. With a good gunsmith, could have been made into other 270 cartridges also.

#4352555 - 08/24/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: 458Win]  
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Originally Posted by 458Win
Sam May, who owned Apex barrels, also built many great barrels.


Met an old gentleman at the range this past weekend who had a 1936 Oberndorf Mauser action with an "Apex Match Grade" barrel in .243 Winchester. Had what looked like a very old Weaver scope with no internal adjustments, the external adjustments were in the rear mount.

Pretty neat rig.


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#4352903 - 08/24/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: Jim in Idaho]  
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I used most of the barrels mentioned way back then..The ONLY barrel I liked back then was Douglas, they had the modern equipment of the day, that none of the others had IMO...

Only Douglas has survived those days and its still a darn nice barrel, in fact still my second choice for hunting rifles but its a distant choice from Lothar Walthar that I use today almost exclusively...

Back then a 2 inch 3 shot group rifle was the exception, not the rule. Today its pretty easy to produce a 3 shot one inch gun, and a 5 shot one inch gun is relitively common.

#4375237 - 09/01/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: greydog]  
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Originally Posted by greydog
Anyone remember Star "diamond lapped barrels? Not a premium barrel by any stretch (about eight bucks apiece for blanks in the late sixties to early seventies)They were a remarkably consistent barrel......


Sure do! Had a 358 Norma barrelled up with one on a 98 Mauser. Shot just fine.

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#4375626 - 09/01/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: gregory]  
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Gregory; The 270 Titus was a necked down 300 Savage and was originated by Bliss Titus as far as I know.

#4377626 - 09/02/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: stocker]  
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#4377656 - 09/02/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: bucktales]  
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Originally Posted by bucktales
Did Flaig make their own barrels?


I don't think so. I've kinda studied up on the Flaig rifles and barrels and from what I've read he used barrels marked Bohler and later on used Douglas barrels.

#4377963 - 09/02/10 Re: Custom Barrel Makers of the 1950's and 1960's [Re: OldRooster]  
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Hmmmm, as I recall Sukalle was/is Butch Searcys father in law or something like that, guess it runs in the family. At least one of the famous old timers was his father in law or some kin. smile smile

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