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#2094566 - 03/18/08 What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire).  
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I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.

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6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


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#2094721 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.


I was considering this exact point last Summer, & I settled on a 7mm-08. After all was said & done, I found no appreciable difference in recoil between these 2 rifles when shooting 180 grain or smaller bullets in the '06, and 140's in the '08. If I step up to 220's in the '06, then I can notice a difference. Granted, I didn't compare "exact stock to exact stock", but the weight of the 2 rifles is very nearly equal.

I've come to the realization that my '06 fits me like a glove, and will do everything that I need it to do, with complete aplomb. Further, I've found that there's nothing my 7mm-08 rifle will do that my '06 won't. And that's why I now have a 7mm-08 rifle for sale in the Free Classifieds forum!

I do have a .243 that I perceive as a goodly step down in recoil from my '06, but I can't offer any opinions on the others in between: .244, 257 WBY or Rbts, .260, 6.5x_____, .270, 7mm________, etc, since I haven't shot any of those. I guess I've proven to myself that there's some credence in the notion of "cartridge spacing".

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#2094722 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Folically_Challenged]  
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#2094733 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: skb2706]  
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Ditto on the 6,5x55 Swede or the .300 Savage..No elk is safe when the accomplished hunter zeroes in on them with either cartridge..and proper bullet-placement.Jim

#2094739 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: skb2706]  
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25-284 or 243

Kicks less and shoots flat. Really a different ballgame as compared to a 30-06. Good bullets bring good performance.


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#2094770 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: JPro]  
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For deer only I vote also for the 257bob or 243. Noticeable decrease in recoil.


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#2094779 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Daveh]  
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#2094802 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Jeff_O]  
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I'll be shooting a 25-06 after work today. I'd say it has a meaningful step down in recoil. Great fun to shoot. Haven't put one to game yet but I believe what I've read, mostly positive.

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My vote goes to the .25-06 Remington.

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.243- stellar deer round with good bullets and a fine coyote round with light bullets.

#2094830 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: oklahunter]  
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#2094880 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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Lots of good thoughts have been put up here, my choice slam dunk would be the 25/06 in a factory round and or my fav the 6/06 in a "cat".

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#2094939 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.
My vote is for 7mm Mauser, or 7mm-08.


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If all else is the same, IMO you have to go to a .25-06 / .257 Bob for a meaningful step down in recoil. I just don't see that much of a difference from a .30-06 to a .308 or even a 7mm-08.
Now, you can always add rifle weight, a better pad, and maybe a better stock fit / design.


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#2095048 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: corjack]  
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Originally Posted by corjack
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


Gotta agree with that.


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#2095086 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Puddle]  
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I'd say either the 7mm-08, or the 25-06 - two of my absolute favourite rounds!

Noticeably nicer to shoot.

Same effect on game.


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#2095122 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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Some years ago I wanted to do the same thing. I first used a .308 Win. I did not feel much reduction in the recoil.
So that rifle became a .257 Roberts. It has very little.
I also have a .25-06 and it has very little recoil.
So I would say use either a .257 Roberts or a .25-06.
But there is nothing wrong with a 6.5x55 Swede or a .260 Rem.
There are no bad choses here, pick one.

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.25-06. I discovered this fact one year hunting with my son, who had become recoil shy with his .30-06 to the point of missing a half-dozen fairly easy shots on antelope.

After the 'no recoil' talk about the .25-06, he used mine to make a great shot on his antelope buck.


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Originally Posted by Puddle
Originally Posted by corjack
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


Gotta agree with that.
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It depends on what type of rifle you're looking into. If you have a 9 pound 30-06 and you're looking at getting a 6 pound 7mm-08 you probably won't notice too much difference in recoil. I once owned those two rifles and both were 6.75 pounds. There was a huge difference in recoil between the 7mm-08 and a 30-06.

My advice would be to get a 7mm-08 that weighs 7.5 pounds all ready to go. It's recoil will be very light on the shoulder. I have a similar rifle and it recoils about like my son's 6mm (they're both REM 600s). Recently, I hung an McM EDGE on it and is now 6.75 pounds and it still a pussycat. If you don't want a 7mm-08 then go for a 257Bob, 243WIN, 260REM or similar.

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.260 rem or 25/06 are my picks.



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Originally Posted by Teeder
If all else is the same, IMO you have to go to a .25-06 / .257 Bob for a meaningful step down in recoil. I just don't see that much of a difference from a .30-06 to a .308 or even a 7mm-08.
Now, you can always add rifle weight, a better pad, and maybe a better stock fit / design.


Respectfully disagree...

For a while I had two identical-pattern rifles, Remington LSS Mountain Rifles, one in 30-06 and one in 7mm-08. Still have both but the '06 is now a sporter-weight barrel.

Anyway, the 7-08 was most assuredly a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06. Rifles were identical except the 30-06 was a little heavier due to the longer action.

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Originally Posted by rmpace
.260 rem or 25/06 are my picks.


Hunted a bunch with them and loved both of them.

stumpy

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Originally Posted by BMT
257 Bob.


BINGO! one fine caliber for hunting deer if your recoil sensitive

#2095326 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: stumpy]  
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A standard recoil calculator shows the follwing
Cart. bullet wt. velocity powder wt. gun wt. recoil(ft lbs.)
30-06 180 2600 55 8.5 19
270 130 3000 55 8.5 17
7-08 140 2800 48 8.5 14
260 100 3200 48 8.5 12

So there is a steady decline in recoil force. Where any one person would say that there is a noticable decrease is subjective. To me, guns become pleasant to shoot in the 260 Rem./257 Roberts class, in part because of minimal recoil and in in part because the muzzle blast is modest.

But as cartridges drop in intensity, people tend to put them into smaller and lighter guns, which brings the recoil right back up. My NULA 257 Wby gnerates 28 ft-lb of recoil launching a 100 gr bullet at 3500 fps because it weighs less than 7#.

#2095327 - 03/18/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: skb2706]  
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Originally Posted by skb2706
.260 Rem.
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Keep the 30-06, and load up 150 gr Partitions with 46 gr of IMR3031 for a velocity of 2840 fps. My 120 pound daughter shoots it with no problem, and gets complete pass throughs on 200 pound deer at 200 yards. My 130 pound wife says she finds them very comfortable to shoot.

Can't imagine you'd need anything that recoils lighter than my women kinfolk. wink


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My first thought is go to a lighter bullet and make sure it's stocked right, that will make all the difference in the world. You're not kidding anybody, the real issue here is you "need" another rifle. Mine is one more vote for 6.5X55.


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I've noticed the 6.5X55 has a strong following here and on other sites.

And was thinking about one... But I don't reload and was concerned about availability and effectiveness of factory ammo.

I checked Midsouth and Natchez.. not many offerings. ???

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For deer an smaller critters I would go for a 243. Seems like a deer drops just as fast with the 243 as they do with an 30-06

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I agree with Don..7x57.The 270 does recoil easier, to me; but the 7x57 is a solid step down, without leaving anything in the way of effectiveness, on the table.I wonder,sometimes why I don't have one....... shocked




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My choice would be 25/06 all the way! A bunch of reasons come to mind why I'd go with a 25/06 but I've got proof and its in the frezzer! HA HA HA!!!


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Originally Posted by mud_bogger
For deer an smaller critters I would go for a 243. Seems like a deer drops just as fast with the 243 as they do with an 30-06


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243 win. great on whitetails and everything else in their weight range. 100gr partitions allow the 243 to "be all it can be". ymmv................

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I'd go with a .308 Win based or a Mauser based claiber in a range between 7.62 down to 243 Win. 7mm-08 and 6.5x55 being my picks. 260 Rem in the running as well.

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I can only speak of the rifle calibers I've fired over the years.

.270 Winchester: This cartridge is a .30/06 necked down to .277 inches and fires a very effective 130 grain bullet at about 3,000 to 3,150 fps. An effective big game cartridge capable of taking any large, non-dangerous game in the new world. This cartridge's recoil, firing a 130 grain bullet, is noticably lighter than a .30/06 firing a 150 grain bullet.


7x57mm Mauser: This is the round which served as the "model" for the U.S. Army's .30/06 cartridge. The 7mm Mauser, introduced almost 10 years (1893) before the .30/06 was adopted by the U.S. Army (in 1906), is aka "7x57" or ".275 Rigby"... and is simply a smaller version of the .30/06... firing a .284 inch diameter, 140 grain bullet (if loaded to it's true full potential) at about 100 fps slower muzzle velocity than the standard .30/06 fires a 150 grain bullet.

Recoil is also minimized in this "minature-sized .30/06" cartridge. When I fired both cartridges, the 7mm Mauser SEEMED to have about 25% less "kick" than the .30/06... or about the same recoil as the .300 Savage cartridge firing a 150 grain bullet at 2680 fps.

The 115 year old 7mm Mauser (7x57) cartridge, loaded to its full potential (50,000 CUP) has a slightly greater powder capacity than the 7mm-08 and, thus, it duplicates or slightly exceeds the muzzle velocity of the much newer 7mm-08 cartridge. Loads of this greater power should ONLY be fired in MODERN RIFLES, not the older 1893 or 1895 7mm Mauser rifles which are considerably weaker than modern rifles.

For those who always wondered, but were always too shy about asking, the "7x57" is the European designation of the cartridge with the first "7" being the caliber (7mm or .284"), the "x" spoken as the word "by" and the last number ("57") being the length of the cartridge case in millimeters. Thus, the "7x57" is spoken as "seven by fifty-seven".

Using the European designation, then the .30/06 would be called the "7.62x63". smile


.300 Savage: This cartridge, introduced in 1920 in the Model 99 Savage lever-action rifle, approximated early .30/06 ballistics (150 grain bullet @ 2700 fps) in a shorter cartridge designed for use through a shorter, lever action.

The .300 Savage's recoil is down considerably (again, about 25% less "sensed" recoil than the .30/06 in my estimation), even at standard full loads, from the .30/06 with both cartridges firing a 150 grain bullet. Along with a lower recoil comes lower muzzle velocities, but the .300 Savage's muzzle velocity is more than adequate to handle any non-dangerous new world big game within a reasonable (250 yard) range.

Handloaded, the .300 Savage cartridge, using a 150 grain spitzer bullet at approximately 2650-2680 fps, is ideal for deer sized big game.

With a 165 grain Nosler Partition Bullet @ 2600 fps, this cartridge is quite capable of taking larger, non-dangerous big game like elk or even moose at reasonable ranges (under 200 yards). smile


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Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.


It's a 270 for me.

I have identical M721's in 06 and 270--each have the origninal aluminum/steel buttplates--between stock design and buttplates they do kick. Even with my sissy bag on my shoulder, the 06 still had the "feel" of something closer to a 300WM. But picking up the 270 after shooting the 06 is a significant difference.

Of course, I've been using a 243 the past 5 years on elk--the recoil--and muzzle blast--makes everything else seem, well, big....... grin


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I live in Northern Nv, and we have much opportunity for longish shots.
Given that, I have started using a Ruger No 1 chambered in 6mm Rem.(a .243 would be the same) and don't feel like I have given up a thing to my 300 mags on mule deer or antelope.
I might be a little more concerned if I were to use a "mid velocity" round as many have suggested.
My vote goes to the 6mm-243 with 100 gr bullets.


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At almost 50 years old,Ive come to the conclusion that hurting myself isnt nearly so important as I once thought it was,I like to shoot rifles that I can enjoy shooting and like to shoot all day if I choose,I bought my first 243 winchester about 5 years back,and lookin back at it today this has probably been the most lethal damn rifle Ive ever owned,its killed everything I have ever pulled down on with it in 5 years,like flippin a light switch,7x57,6.5x55,257 Roberts and the ol faithful 243 winchester,when it comes to these four,shootability,reasonable recoil,good accuracy,ability to cleanly kill game,its all Good........


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Just a quick note...

The 6mm Remington (aka ".244 Remington") is a 7x57 cartridge case necked down to .24 caliber or 6mm... and is about 100 fps faster than a .243 Winchester which is a necked down .308 Win. cartridge case. The .257 Roberts is a 7x57 case necked down to .25 caliber. smile



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Download the 30/06.


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and use 130gr TTSXs


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Practical suggestions...There's no need for that here..........grin


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Originally Posted by Ron_T
Just a quick note...

The 6mm Remington (aka ".244 Remington") is a 7x57 cartridge case necked down to .24 caliber or 6mm... and is about 100 fps faster than a .243 Winchester which is a necked down .308 Win. cartridge case. The .257 Roberts is a 7x57 case necked down to .25 caliber. smile



Thank you Ron, I of course was not meaning to imply that a 6mm Rem. and a 243 were the same round, only that they were similar in capability.
After re-reading my original post it is clear that that inference could be made.

Again, thanks for clarifying.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
and use 130gr TTSXs


But that means I don't have to buy another rifle... frown

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I would say 260 Remington or 6.5x55. With a quality 130-140 grain bullet @ 2700-2850 fps they will shoot as flat as a 30-06 with 165 grainers, and kick half as much. Deer inside 1/4 mile wont be safe

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I'll throw out an idea for you... Start with a Ruger #1, then build a .458 Lott on it. You should have pretty well knocked yourself stupid after 40 rounds or so. Then sell it at a gun show, and buy a Remington Model 7 in .243, then shoot the barrel out of that .243 and screw one on it in .260. At least that was what I did.

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Since you already have a .30-06 a very good place to start would be a .25-06 or, if you reload, a .257 Roberts.

The .25-06 is, IMHO, the best dual-purpose cartridge available. There is an excellent variety of factory ammo, it is well suited to low volume varminting and is an excellent choice for deer and antelope. More than a few elk have fallen to it as well and I much prefer a 120g .257 bullet for elk over a anything in a .243. If you handload the .257 Roberts is an excellent choice. (My .257 Roberts +P loads give up very little to the .25-06.)

For the guy shooting factory ammo and only wanting a big game rifle there are several other good choices including the .260 Rem, 7mm-08 and 7x57.

For sheer fun it is very hard (impossible?) in a big game cartridge to beat the .30-30. Significantly less recoil than a .30-06 yet a 170g bullet will still carry 1000fpe at 200 yards more than enough range and power for most needs. Furthermore, no battery is complete without one.



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.270, then 6.5x55.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Download the 30/06.


Originally Posted by the_shootist
Keep the 30-06, and load up 150 gr Partitions with 46 gr of IMR3031 for a velocity of 2840 fps. My 120 pound daughter shoots it with no problem, and gets complete pass throughs on 200 pound deer at 200 yards. My 130 pound wife says she finds them very comfortable to shoot.

Can't imagine you'd need anything that recoils lighter than my women kinfolk.


I think I'm seeing a pattern here. grin


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Originally Posted by Jeff_Olsen
Originally Posted by Teeder
If all else is the same, IMO you have to go to a .25-06 / .257 Bob for a meaningful step down in recoil. I just don't see that much of a difference from a .30-06 to a .308 or even a 7mm-08.
Now, you can always add rifle weight, a better pad, and maybe a better stock fit / design.


Respectfully disagree...

For a while I had two identical-pattern rifles, Remington LSS Mountain Rifles, one in 30-06 and one in 7mm-08. Still have both but the '06 is now a sporter-weight barrel.

Anyway, the 7-08 was most assuredly a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06. Rifles were identical except the 30-06 was a little heavier due to the longer action.

-jeff


That's cool. It just goes to show you people have different ideas of what "meaningful" means.


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Added the .25/06 for comparism.
25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5
Fast and flat. My wife's new gun will be a .25-06.

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Even though the OP didn't mention this, implied in my choice of 7mm-08 was that if I want to step down in recoil from say a 30-06, I personally figure the rifle itself might as well step down too- to a short action.

I know some folks don't like short actions or don't care either way, but I do... so stepping down in recoil might was well give me a lighter, handier rifle as an added bonus.

My 12-year-old daughter was shooting my 7-08 Mountain Rifle the other day with no problems BTW... hard rubber pad and all... it really is a moderate-recoiling round, even in a light rifle.

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For deer & smaller: 6mm Rem, 243 Win, 223 Rem With the right bullets

For deer & larger: 25-o6, 260 Rem, 7-08 Rem; 270 & 280 are getting back too close to 'o6 recoil, but with light bullets are still noticeably less

MM

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...Add the 7.62X39 as a limited range caliber for whitetails of any size, and the 7X57 Mauser or 6.5X55 Swedish for most any medium game up to 400-600 lbs. These produce noticeably reduced recoil when compared to the 30/06 Springfield. Another option that's easy as pie is to purchase Remington's "reduced Recoil" ammo in 30/06. With a 125 grain bullet at less than a 'full house' push this load is still plenty lethal on deer and without the recoil associated with standard 30/06 loadings, more akin to a mild 30/30 load's recoil!

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I don't see 250 Savage (.250/3000) or 7/30 Waters listed.

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I went .308 and plan to load 130gr TTSXs. That should be nice and mild and do just what I need it to do on deer. I can load other bullets to handle most anything else. Reloading components and ammo are as plentiful as the 30'06.


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.25-06, 6.5X55, or 7mm-08.


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Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.


For me, a .270 WCF. After I got it my two .30/06's stayed in the safe, especially for volume shooting at ground squirrels.

I also think that my .25/06 would fill the role that you describe.

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Steelhead suggested smaller bullets, and I'll just echo that thought. Whatever cartridge you choose, you will save even more recoil if you load lighter bullets. If you get a 25-06, don't shoot 120gr bullets, use 100gr. Go against the heavy-for-caliber school of thought.


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POWDER CHARGE HAS THE GREATEST INFLUENCE ON RECOIL ACCORDING TO THE FORMULA, BULLET WEIGHT SECOND.

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My vote would be for a 6.5X55 in a CZ, Sako, or Ruger. It doesn't recoil any more than a 30/30 and is very "flat shooting" caliber with a tremendous array of bullets available from 85 to 160gr.

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Some have suggested 308 and 270. Not mine! My 270 Savage 110 and 308 Savage 99 both hurt me more than my 1903 Springfield with steel butt plate. Yes, weight and shape are why they hurt. I don't like to shoot either.

I suggest 30-30, you need a lever gun anyway. In bolt actions, I have 25-06, 6.5x55, and 243 that fit the OP's parameters.


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I would recommend the 260 Remington without hesitation.

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Originally Posted by prostrate8
I don't see 250 Savage (.250/3000) or 7/30 Waters listed.


Good point, Prostrate8... !

I, too, thought of the .250 Savage... an excellent deer cartridge with VERY LITTLE recoil in a rifle of "average" weight which literally duplicates any load one can get with the .257 Roberts... but finally decided it was more of a handloader's cartridge since it would be very difficult to find on many store's ammo shelves which is why I eventually decided NOT to mention the great little .250 Savage (aka ".250-3000") cartridge.

The .250-3000 has been taking deer and similar-sized big game since 1914 when it was introduced in the Savage Model 99. This cartridge was developed by the ballistician Charles Newton for Savage Model 99 lever-action rifle and was the first commercial, factory-standard cartridge to exceed 3,000 fps. It is noted for its light recoil, but is a very effective cartridge on deer-sized game. smile


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The 257 Roberts and the 260 Remington, both with good 120 grain bullets, work well on deer-size game and smaller with noticeably less recoil than the 30-06 in rifles of similar weight. But there is no free lunch. Smaller cartridges do less damage to game animals. I am fond of the addage that larger cartridges make them "sicker quicker." However, with specific bullet placement, even small cartridges can plant them DRT as long as there is sufficient penetration. Almost invariably the animal will run a ways after the "classic" behind-the-shoulder shot, regardless of caliber used.

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308 or 7X57.

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My first experience with a high powered rifle was a .30-06. At that time, early '60's it was by far the most common, non-.30-30 around. I owned and used various .30-06's for years to shoot deer/bear/antelope sized game.

When the Remington M7 was introduced, I ran out and bought one in 7-08. In the M7, recoil was less than a full size '06, but by much. Effectiveness on deer/antelope size game is about zero difference as near as I can tell, to the point where I no longer have a .30-06 at all. I have a 7RM for longer shots, and .35 Whelen's for larger game.

My new Mtn Rifle in 7-08 is a bit less than 8lbs loaded with sling and scope, and it kicks less than the M7. Having shot a pretty fair pile of deer and antelope with a .243, I feel that the 7-08 is far more effective than the smaller hole, and weighs less in a given rifle design.


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#2102832 - 03/22/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: TMan]  
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Several years ago I had a custom built in 7x57 and it has for all practical purposes replaced my 06 as my all purpose gun.

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I think I would go with a .260

#2103319 - 03/22/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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6.5x55 or 7x57


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A 25-06 has a noticeable reduction of recoil and is very effective on deer.

#2106721 - 03/24/08 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: corjack]  
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Originally Posted by corjack
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


I'm getting in pretty late with this one, but I second the 6.5x55. It really is very good for most of the stuff most of us really hunt.


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'Nother vote for the 250-3000 Savage.
Or the wildcat 25-223. 'Bout the same speed. Just depends on wheather or not you want a wildcat to mess with. I for one, would welcome the 25-223! Shot one several years back, that my cousin owned. Great rifle!
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#4091980 - 05/17/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: vbshootinrange]  
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My 257 Roberts Ackley Improved with solid square butt and 117 gr bullets makes recoil pain 100 times worse than my 338WinMag with 250 gr bullets and the largest and unground Limbsaver recoil pad.

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25-06. Effective and noticeably less recoil.

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The .243AI will do a LOT of killin'.........


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Originally Posted by wildswalker
The .243AI will do a LOT of killin'.........


And there you have it.

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Originally Posted by wildswalker
The .243AI will do a LOT of killin'.........
Dude, I cant wait to find out.


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7mm-08 is both a step down and quite effective. And not the dreaded .22 CF <grin>...


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Haven't read through all the responses, but obviously see a lot of repetition in the responses given. Something I haven't scene mentioned is you have to compare the cartridges mentioned in a similar platform as the orginal 30-06 mentioned.

I've got 2 very light 7mm-08's that I really don't find any different to shoot than my 1 1/2-2 lbs heavier 30-06.

I've also got a Winchester 670 .243, that really doesn't fit me well and while I certainly don't mind shooting it, I find my 30-06 and such more pleasant to shoot.


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.260 Remington with 120 gr TSX

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25-06 if you want to stay in a similar LA rifle, and a 7-08 or 243 if you want to go SA.

I've got Kimber Montanas in 300 WSM and 7-08 (and the Wizzum) is a fair bit heavier, but the 7-08 recoils noticeably less. I run 180's in the 300 and 140's in the 7-08, FWIW.

Not exactly a 30-06 to 7-08 comparison, but not far off.

If you want to stay 30 cal, 308 or 300 Savage would sure make good sense and provide less recoil.

I know some have suggested you stick with your '06 and load her down, but they have overlooked a huge problem with that advice...It means you don't get a new rifle...grin.

DJ

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I'd follow the 250Sav-257 Roberts-260 Rem- 6.5 x 55- 7/08-7x57 crowd....

at the same time... an 06 loaded to say 300 Savage Standards...
is a noticeable reduction in recoil....

150s... 165s.. 180s at 2400 fps are still a very effective load at 250 yds and under... with noticeable reduction in kick to the shooter..


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"Remington standardized the 260 as a factory round in 1997. While basically similar to the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser cartridge, the 260 enjoys enjoys the advantage of being loaded to higher pressures due to the absence of older, weaker actions in this chambering."

Factory loads of 120 or 140gr Remington psp are available.

Or handload to lower weight for even less recoil.

Stocks can have recoil reducers added such as a tube of buckshot or a mercury cylinder to absorb recoil. Also there are Limbsaver pads for most rifles available.




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#4092714 - 05/17/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: cal74]  
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Originally Posted by cal74
Haven't read through all the responses, but obviously see a lot of repetition in the responses given. Something I haven't scene mentioned is you have to compare the cartridges mentioned in a similar platform as the orginal 30-06 mentioned.

I've got 2 very light 7mm-08's that I really don't find any different to shoot than my 1 1/2-2 lbs heavier 30-06.



Man, your avatar is... hypnotic... grin

Anyway, that's not my experience. My 7-08 is pretty light (M700 Mountain Rifle) and it's a significant step down in recoil from my heavier 30-06. That's with 140's in the 7-08 and 165's in the '06. They have the same laminate stock, other than the action length. The barrel on the '06 is sporter-profile (heavier).

With 120's in the 7-08, it's a pretty BIG step down in recoil.

At least that's how I percieve it.



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#4092811 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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Without reading every post here...

I'll put in a vote for the 25.06 Rem.

As a whitetail/mulie/pronghorn caliber I just don't think it gets much better. Some are as good, for sure...but not better. Superior to .243, IMHO, because of 110 to 120 gr. bullet options, and it outperforms any 6mm option, particularly at long range. Inherently accurate, too. And recoil is quite reasonable. Lots of factory ammo selection to work with over a good range of sizes. With the right bullets, it's a veritable laser out to 300 yds and beyond. I'd argue that there's nothing a 6mm, or even 257 Roberts, can do that a 25.06 can't do better...and for the same money.

If you're into hand loading for your 30.06, you'll have a good supply of brass to convert to 25.06, too.

FWIW, my two cents.


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Lotsa answers....I like 7/08,7x57 and 257 Roberts.The 270 does kick less but might not be far enough down the ladder to be meaningful to the OP.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Man, your avatar is... hypnotic... grin



Glad you like it... smile




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Originally Posted by corjack
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


It's also the first one that comes to my mind. A real wolf in sheep's clothing!


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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Lotsa answers....I like 7/08,7x57 and 257 Roberts.The 270 does kick less but might not be far enough down the ladder to be meaningful to the OP.


Right.

.270, .308, 7mm-08, 7x57, all great calibers, no question.

But if one already has a 30.06, then what's the advantage?

Having watched enough whitetails and mulies over 20 years drop to a 25.06 like they were hit by lightning, whenever I pack my 300 WM into the woods for deer, can't help but feeling a tad over gunned. Indeed, the only reason I do use the big one for mulies around here is that, albeit highly unlikely, if I ever do happen to run into a griz with attitude, I don't want to be under gunned.

The 25.06 splits the difference between a .223 and a .30 cal just about perfectly. And if that bull elk shows up unexpectedly, given a clean shot, a 25.06 will take care of that business quite handily, too.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

smile



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the most perfect round ever invented buy man for the true sports is the old and very reliable .308 winchester. there is no north american animal anywhere that cannaot be dispatched with one well placed bullet in 168gr boned core. and if your only hunting animals from elk and smaller (wt deer, muley, antelope, or pig) there really is no justificatiion for anything larger than a .308. anything larger is over kill ont he meat of an animal and overkill on your shoulder. remember if you really are a meat hunter, you need a bullet capable of reaching out to two hundred yards, MAX, and delivering enough energy to kill quikly with out creating a lot of "blood shot". as an ex pro- meat hunter/ poacher i have use almost every caliber to kill deer and other various game, and i ALWAYS come back to the .308, it does everything the.30-06 does, but with 1/3 less recoil. shoot straight.

#4093315 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: sir_springer]  
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Two cartridges immediately came to mind when I read the OP's question. First was the 6.5 Swede, (obviously it came to mind for many) and the 6mm Remington.

I have a.260 on a short action and to tell you the truth, I wish I would have had a long action and just built a Swede. There is a ton of factory Swede ammo out there at reasonable prices. I doubt I would reload for it much if I had one.

I have been a long time 6mm Rem fan and continue to be. The 85 grain Sierra BTHP Gameking is my "Go To" bullet for this cartridge and I see no reason to change. From Jackrabbits and Coyotes to Mule Deer, that bullet drops them nicely.


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Originally Posted by wildswalker
The .243AI will do a LOT of killin'.........


The truth for sure! Pretty darn amazing what can do with the user friendly lil round isn't it

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#4093409 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: sir_springer]  
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Sir Springer;I was not disputing your choice of 25/06,another option; why I said lotsa choices...tough to mention them all! smile




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I don't know which is the tougher question: Picking the first caliber to go with? Or the second one to go along with it?

smile


#4093595 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Folically_Challenged]  
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Originally Posted by Folically_Challenged
Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.


I was considering this exact point last Summer, & I settled on a 7mm-08. After all was said & done, I found no appreciable difference in recoil between these 2 rifles when shooting 180 grain or smaller bullets in the '06, and 140's in the '08. If I step up to 220's in the '06, then I can notice a difference. Granted, I didn't compare "exact stock to exact stock", but the weight of the 2 rifles is very nearly equal.

I've come to the realization that my '06 fits me like a glove, and will do everything that I need it to do, with complete aplomb. Further, I've found that there's nothing my 7mm-08 rifle will do that my '06 won't. And that's why I now have a 7mm-08 rifle for sale in the Free Classifieds forum!

I do have a .243 that I perceive as a goodly step down in recoil from my '06, but I can't offer any opinions on the others in between: .244, 257 WBY or Rbts, .260, 6.5x_____, .270, 7mm________, etc, since I haven't shot any of those. I guess I've proven to myself that there's some credence in the notion of "cartridge spacing".

FC


So, fast-forward 2+ years, and the above-mentioned 7mm-08 is gone. Shortly thereafter, though, I came into a 7x57 with a much closer stock to the '06: Remmy Mountain Rifle to CDL. In this case, there's a definite step down in recoil, even when shooting 175 grain spire points out of the 7x57. These aren't the hottest loads out there, but I find the mountain rifle far more pleasant to shoot than the '06 CDL.

And now my notions about cartridge spacing are once again in doubt.

I think this means I need to buy more guns so I'll have more data to draw from.

FC

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Generally, the recoil from a 270 win or 308 win is only slightly less than a 30-06, but we need to drop back to a 25-06 to achieve a meaningful step down in recoil and still have a flat shooting round.

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Originally Posted by sir_springer
Bobin...

I don't know which is the tougher question: Picking the first caliber to go with? Or the second one to go along with it?

smile



Yeah..,you're right!.....made all the harder because there are so many that do the same work,and there is so much ballistic overlap and redundancy smile




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by "corjack"
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.

+1

Probably due to the fact that it's what I hunt with. In all honesty, I think any non-uber mag in .257 or .264 will fit the bill perfectly.

6.5x55, .260 Remington, 257 Roberts, 25-06...


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#4094178 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Fotis]  
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Wow, until Folically_Challenged pointed it out I didn't realize someone had dredged up a 2+ year old thread...

Hopefully the OP has it all worked out by now. whistle


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#4094423 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Azar]  
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Just read my old post:
"My wife's new gun will be a 25-06."

Turn's out she swiped my .270. 130's in that aren't that bad with a pachmayr pad. My 14 yr old son likes that gun too and never complains about recoil either.
So I bought myself a new .270 with a lefty thumbhole stock. Now my daughter is eyeing it . . . smile

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#4094474 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Oregon45]  
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#4094509 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: JPro]  
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#4094652 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: 7 STW]  
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#4095458 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: corjack]  
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Originally Posted by corjack
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


+1000 grin

The mild mannered 6.5s kill critters way past their paper ballistics at silly ranges. They do that with little fuss or recoil and anyone that can shoot a 243win, can shoot a 6.5x55 or 260Rem. wink


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#4095491 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: rt_con]  
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Originally Posted by rt_con
I've noticed the 6.5X55 has a strong following here and on other sites.

And was thinking about one... But I don't reload and was concerned about availability and effectiveness of factory ammo.

I checked Midsouth and Natchez.. not many offerings. ???

Rob


If you're feeding a 6.5x55, there is no better ammo than the offerings from Norma. A bit Pricey, but very accurate and very effective. I know Federal, remington, Winchester, and European ammo companies offer it too.


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#4095890 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: dmsbandit]  
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I own or have owned almost all of the popular calibers listed so far. Almost everything I use for hunting is as light as I can make it. I would have to say the .300 Savage bolt action I have is the lightest recoiling rifle of the bunch, when using factory ammo. All the others are fine choices for deer, but recoil wise I would have to say the .300 Savage has the least. Someone mentioned the 7-30 waters. I have a spare barrel for one of my 99s in 7-30 Waters and it is most unimpressive, better off with a 30-30.

#4095903 - 05/18/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Gunplummer]  
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Sellier and Bellot makes some excellent ammo for the Swede as well.

As you may be able to tell from my avatar...my vote is for the Swede. But I could just as easily support
260 Rem
7mm-08
257 Roberts
250 Savage
243 Win




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#4095937 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: dmsbandit]  
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Originally Posted by dmsbandit
Originally Posted by rt_con
I've noticed the 6.5X55 has a strong following here and on other sites.

And was thinking about one... But I don't reload and was concerned about availability and effectiveness of factory ammo.

I checked Midsouth and Natchez.. not many offerings. ???

Rob


If you're feeding a 6.5x55, there is no better ammo than the offerings from Norma. A bit Pricey, but very accurate and very effective. I know Federal, remington, Winchester, and European ammo companies offer it too.


I think it was Steelhead (among others) that has reported excellent results on deer from the Norma 156gr Oryx loads (which is a bonded bullet).

I know they work very well on moose -- I have skinned several shot with this bullet by some other guys in my hunting group.

[Linked Image]

All the recovered Oryx bullets that I have seen look like the above picture from Norma's website, and in my opinion, seem to perform much like the bonded Woodleigh bullets (and that is a good thing!).

John

#4095945 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: jpb]  
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JMHO on the matter but if I wanted to make a meaningful step down in recoil(I'll exclude the 270 from the conversation because some feel it really does not kick that much less than an 06) and still stay with what I consider to be a true all-around BG cartridge;yet still have most of what a 30/06 offers,it would have to be a 7x57 and for me there really would be no second choice.

The cartridge has a well earned reputation on several continents as a thoroughly reliable killer of BG and everything from dik-dik to elephant.I would not care to take it to those extremes but there is little doubt you could if so inclined.

If you look careful-like, you see that 140 7mm bullets are driven from the 7x57 at about the same velocities as 165 bullets from a 30/06,yet with substantially lighter powder charges,resulting in less recoil,even from lighter rifles.This correlation extends clear up and down through all bullet weights for the 30/06 and 7x57,with a 120 gr 7mm doing what a 159 gr 30 does,and 160 gr 7mm's behaving a great deal like a 30/06 180.

With todays bullet technology there is little a guy could do with a 165 30/06 that he could not do with a 140 7x57.

And if he is need of long heavy weights,he can jump to 175's for much the same work he would do with 220 gr 30/06 load.

Yes a guy could jump on down to the 6.5's and 25's but we give up bullet weight and frontal area for the same trajectory over normal game ranges;and while bullet technology helps these calibers,I don't feel the jump in performance is a quantum leap by any stretch,not enough for me to elevate a 25 cal into the realm of "all-round BG caliber" and mentioned in the same breath with the great 30/06. I feel the need to draw the line in the sand somewhere smile

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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#4096405 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: BobinNH]  
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Bob I agree about the line in the sand, a 25-06 in my humble opinion is not an "all-around BG caliber" but for mule deer and antelope it is dependably adequate.

#4096424 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: StrayDog]  
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SD: Absolutely!

I guess what I am talking about(to paraphrase)is a cartridge that is a solid step down in recoil from a 30/06,but which does exactly ,precisely, the same jobs ;a true "all-rounder" for the guy who wants to hunt everything but does not want to put up with any more recoil than necessary.Everything from pronghorn to Alaskan Yukon moose and the between stuff along the way;or the general run of plains game in Africa.

The 7x57 has been filling that role for a century...to waste time looking for a better mousetrap ranks among the world's most frivolous pursuits.

Notwithstanding their virtues(I'm a fan!)no 25 fills that niche IMHO. smile




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#4096852 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: BobinNH]  
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#4096949 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: StrayDog]  
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Originally Posted by StrayDog
Bob I agree about the line in the sand, a 25-06 in my humble opinion is not an "all-around BG caliber" but for mule deer and antelope it is dependably adequate.


In no way trying to take this thread too far off course but what BG have you and do you hunt on a regular basis that you're not comfy with the 25/06 on?

Personally 4 me, I'm more than comfy with a 117 Nozler out of it @ 3100 for all NA BG with the exception of Brownies (which I may never hunt anyway so it doesn't count for me...grin)

Thx
Dober


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#4096977 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]  
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7X57 is one of the most enjoyable big game rounds that I have ever fried. The 7X57 is loaded to moderate pressures and is not obnoxiuos in the recoil or the muzzle blast departments. A 5 to 6 pound 7X57 is a joy to tote and shoot



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#4097013 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: jwp475]  
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... and given a proper bullet, softspoken, but deadly.



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#4097082 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Ready]  
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Have to endorse the 300 Savage. I'm 14 deer for 14 shots with mine over the last few years, and I can shoot it at the range all day long without feeling sore in the morning.

My 13 year old doesn't mind it either. Took his first deer this year with it.

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#4097340 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Calhoun]  
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Here's my experience- I have used the 270 and 30/06 for about 50 years for most of my hunting- I have also used the 7/08 and a few other cartridges.
The 243 is the first cartridge that I have used that is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the 06 based cartridges. I have not used the 25 caliber cartridges, (other than the 25/06, which I have used a fair amount)but think that they would be almost as significant step down with just a little more thump.
The 25/06 is merely a 270 that took a week off from working out- what one does, the other can do with about the same effort.
The 243 recoils significantly less, destroys less meat,is cheaper to load for than the 06 based rounds. Ammo and brass is readily available which is important to me. Another factor is that it is available in mny new and used rifles. Another factor is good resale value. I have examined the carcasses of several animals rendered edible by the 100 grain Hornady bullet in the 243 , and based on those wound channels, would not hesitate to poke an elk with one, and certainly not deer.
Another option is to pair a Ballistic Tip and Partition of the same weight and have a great vamint/deer gun in the same package.
Just my experiences

Fred

#4097451 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Royce]  
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Fred I love your comment about the 25/06 and will be stealing it shortly..

Thx
Dober


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#4097464 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]  
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Chuckling here! Thsnks

#4097474 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Royce]  
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Well its such a true statement and I get a kick out of the peeps that feel a .270 is such a more potent round..kind of like the thought process that a 300 wsm with a 180 @ 2950 is that much more of a round than the 06 with a 168 @ 2900.....yeepers some people need to hunt more and read less...grin

Thx again and I guarantee I'll use that one for life.

When I was in the wacky gun biz and people wanted a lighter round for their kids/wives etc and were looking .243 I always had them look at a T3/25-06 and all that went that way totally love it!

Ciao

Dober


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#4097527 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]  
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The 25/06 is one of the most useful rounds out there- mild recoil, adequate for small game up to and including moose, easy to load for, cheap to shoot.
As far as the Tikkas go, I am getting to be a one trick pony with them, currently having three-

Fred

#4097747 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Royce]  
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Nuthin' wrong with a 25/06...it's a Roberts on steroids grin




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#4097862 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: BobinNH]  
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gotta agree with 7mm08 and 25/06. I just don't see that much difference between the 270 and the 06 in recoil.

Since the 7mm08 ballistics match the 06 closely, I guess the question is whether you want something that matches the bullet drop on what you've got, or something that adds a different capability (like really flat shooting to 300 and beyond). The 25-06 would get you that.

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#4098451 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: PeaEye]  
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Another vote for the .243. When I am going for deer and such 100 grain Federal Vital Shocks do the trick, with little recoil. If I want more juice for bigger game then I need to play with the .308, .30-06 or .35 Whelen. Every caliber has its place. Everyone should at least have one smaller (.243, 25-06 etc) and one larger (.308, ,30-06 etc)..But then thats my personal opinion.

#4098876 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: wildswalker]  
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Originally Posted by wildswalker
The .243AI will do a LOT of killin'.........


I see; another vote for the 6mm Remington - and seconded.


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#4098879 - 05/19/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Ready]  
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I like my .300Savage. Only problem is there are not a lot of factory rifles chambering it anymore. Although, I've never gone into walmart or a gun shop and not been able to come out with a box of it.


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#4102384 - 05/21/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: HugAJackass]  
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OK, OK. I'll settle this. 25-06! There! Did you think I'd pick anything else? Honestly, there are alot of excellent choices to be had. Just had to add to the 25-06 list. Its my favorite. Tom

#4105625 - 05/22/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Big_Redhead]  
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Between #1 and #2
Originally Posted by Big_Redhead


Almost invariably the animal will run a ways after the "classic" behind-the-shoulder shot, regardless of caliber used.

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I know they do that with the 100 grainers. Those slick tricks sure put em down in a hurry!

#4105973 - 05/22/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: Kimber7man]  
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25/06 with a 100g Partition will kill any deer walking....real dead! The 25/06 has a very moderate recoil.

I have also had very good luck with the 243 with the 95g Partition and the 100g Hornady BTSP with close to max loads of IMR 4350 and Win primers.

I do not feel a noticable amount of recoil between the 7/08 and the 30/06.

To me, the 243 has a significant amount of recoil LESS than the 25/06. I have taken some big deer at 300-350 yards with the 243 with both the 95g Partition and the 100g Hornady BTSP.

A friend moved to New Zeland. He is a hunter and rifleman. He swears that the 95g Hornady SST in a 243 is one of the best cartridges on the planet. He hunts a lot of deer that are very large.

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#4106266 - 05/22/10 Re: What round is a meaningful step down in recoil from the 30-06 (and isn't a 22 centerfire). [Re: keith]  
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Wow, this is an old thread.

My answer to this question back in 2008 was to acquire a Ruger #1 in 7x57.

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