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#2104843 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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#2104859 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Steelhead]  
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Canucks are COOL, we have the BEST beer, the most gorgeous babes and the biggest per capita, least polluted and most resource rich country on Earth. We are the best soldiers, hockey players, barroom brawlers, loggers, fishers, railroaders and general real men there is or is that are?

Our LIBERALS can whip anybody else and we also smell nice, just like Maple Syrup, Cedar shavings and roasting Moose meat!

#2104867 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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All that, and modest, too.....

Or, is that just delusional? wink




#2104868 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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#2104887 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Steelhead]  
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No, but we have probably the largest petro resources on Earth AND we share with you guys so the camelhumpers can GFTS's.!

Hey, a YANK talks about being modest?????? Really? smile

#2104891 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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#2104897 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Steelhead]  
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I ain't no damnyankee. I'm Southern.

Must be the cold up there.... snowblindness and all.....




#2105029 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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Originally Posted by Kutenay

have never killed one myself


So the answer is none then?

Originally Posted by Kutenay


In my five+ decades of bush experience,



You've certainly had an awful lot of jobs that one would think would have to be based out of a city of some description...Book Store clerk, shoe salesman, outdoor retail salesman, etc....To have spent the last 50 years in the bush as you purport.

Originally Posted by Kutenay


As to being a ...serious...BC bushman, pal, I think that I certainly qualify in this respect.


See above.

Originally Posted by Kutenay


It seems as though you can hand out the comments about not taking credit for one's family's accomplishments (Canada forum?) pretty damm well, BUT, you constantly base your opinions on Grizzlies, calibers, etc., on what your DAD did and I thought that may be it might be time to point this out.



Might be time to point out that there is a far cry from being beside someone or around someone who actually accomplished things, as opposed to having tales of accomplishments from anywhere from many decades to HUNDREDS of years ago...

Originally Posted by Kutenay


so don't think I'm attacking him, or, even you



Isn't that exactly what you are doing?


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Why pack all that messy meat out of the bush when we can just go to the grocery store where meat is made? Hell,if they sold antlers I would save so much money I could afford to go Dolphin fishing. Maybe even a baby seal safari.
#2105051 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: VAnimrod]  
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Originally Posted by VAnimrod
I ain't no damnyankee. I'm Southern.

Must be the cold up there.... snowblindness and all.....


Yeah, I should have realized that, hell of a thing, eh, to call a "blueblooded southern gentleman" a ...Yank..., my abject apologies, must be that dammed Easter Bunny, again, eh?

It IS snowing hard on the mountains around Vancouver at present, kind of neat, you can go jogging along the ocean front in shorts and singlet OR go snowshoeing/sking on 10-12 ft. of snow within a half hour's drive. Not many places like this, as long as we keep it the way it is supposed to be, wildlife, wilderness parks, clean lakes, fish and a decent society, mostly, with some social vermin, but, what state/province/city doesn't have some of those, eh?

#2105074 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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#2105095 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Mississippi]  
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if you were up close and personal with a big brown bear?


Easy decision-- 9.3x62


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#2105118 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: CRS]  
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Neither... were I wanting a medium I'd do a 375 Ruger.


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#2105130 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Brad]  
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Originally Posted by Brad
Neither... were I wanting a medium I'd do a 375 Ruger.



Starting from scratch so would I........perhaps we still should there Mac?

It's be one heck of a yote rig.... smile

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#2105134 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Brad]  
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Neither... were I wanting a medium I'd do a 375 Ruger.


yep, or a 416, 423, 429, 458, 470 etc.

I think we can all agree that if it's hitting the fan, bigger is better.


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#2105173 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: Brad]  
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i have only faced a griz and her cub once on a narrow trail to clear cut.My friend had a 308 win and i had a 7Rem Mag, this was 19 yrs ago. We were 40-50ft from them when they popped out of the brush, i whispered head shots only as the scope was full of the sow bears head. we waited them out and after some chomping licking the air and standing on tippy toes they went their way. The next season we had 338 winchesters with 250gr bullets and feeling a little better when walking. After thinking about it, i do not rush down a trail at dusk anymore, I leave time to walk slowly and observe my surroundings on the way to the hunting spot. Short , light, big bore, scoped down to 1.5 or 2x, slick functioning rifle is what will see you through these encounters, plus learning not to shoot unless absolutely neccessary as all hell breaks loose when you pull that trigger. A 35 whelen is good for this activity as are the various 9.3's. 375 HH generally need to be modified to foefill this function. Whn on the ground i like a good medium , when traveling from place to place a 3006 is good as well as for November deer hunting as the bears have gone to sleep. Your experience may vary.

#2105226 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: zxc]  
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I saw a bear in northern Wisconsin once so I'm intitled to an opinion. I pick 9.3X62 because that is what I own.

#2105299 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: kutenay]  
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I did say - once - that the accomplishments of my Dad, my relatives and my ancestors was not a source of "pride" for me. I was merely pointing out, that to my way of thinking, "pride" comes out of one's own accomplishments.

I metioned my Dad's EXPERIENCE not as a source of pride - but as the voice of someone who's actual experience in regards to killing grizzlies, usually alone, and without a guide - bore listening to. My Dad did use calibers beyond 40 for grizzlies - but eventually settled on the 30-06, and the pump-action, as being "perfect" - for him.

I wanted to point out also that killing grizzlies is different from being around a lot of them. Heck, if being around game animals is what counts - my experiences with Whitetail deer, within 100 yards of my house, daily, probably trumps the Benoit family's experiences! I chase many of them away from my wife's roses and the cedar hedge every day. Sometimes in numbers that exceed 20 at a time.

But, I think you can see and appreciate the difference between doing that every day - and hunting them the way the Benoit family does. When it comes to hunting them - if the Benoits are talking - I'm listening!

It was that experiential knowledge about killing grizzlies that my Dad had, at length, and that's the reason I mentioned it. Not to brag about it - or as a source of my own pride - but rather as noting the experience of one who should be listened to.

The fact he regarded a short, light 30-06 pump as being his favorite - is, in my opinion, not to be discounted.

Now that he's gone, if I ever do shoot a big grizzly - since I can't have my Dad at my side - I can't think of many people I'd rather have at my side than you, Kutenay.



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#2105303 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: zxc]  
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Originally Posted by Furprick
i have only faced a griz and her cub once on a narrow trail to clear cut.My friend had a 308 win and i had a 7Rem Mag, this was 19 yrs ago. We were 40-50ft from them when they popped out of the brush, i whispered head shots only as the scope was full of the sow bears head. we waited them out and after some chomping licking the air and standing on tippy toes they went their way. The next season we had 338 winchesters with 250gr bullets and feeling a little better when walking. After thinking about it, i do not rush down a trail at dusk anymore, I leave time to walk slowly and observe my surroundings on the way to the hunting spot. Short , light, big bore, scoped down to 1.5 or 2x, slick functioning rifle is what will see you through these encounters, plus learning not to shoot unless absolutely neccessary as all hell breaks loose when you pull that trigger. A 35 whelen is good for this activity as are the various 9.3's. 375 HH generally need to be modified to foefill this function. Whn on the ground i like a good medium , when traveling from place to place a 3006 is good as well as for November deer hunting as the bears have gone to sleep. Your experience may vary.


Good post,FP!

That is exactly what I had when I had a guy from California and one from the Prairies hunting Elk near White Swan in 1979. A really gorgeous Grizzly came up to within 10 yds. of us, their rifles were in the Suburban and I had my Ruger 77-7mmMag. with 4x Leupy shooting 175 WW PPs in my hands.

These two gents were solid but neither had ever seen a Grizz before, especially that close and the Yank had worked in Yellowstone quite a bit, while the other chap had only hunted deer. The besr was just curious and very calm, but, still, it does tend to make you kinda AWARE, you might say....I never went elk hungting again without one of my .338s and still don't.

Last season, we were in the Chilcotin, about 20K into South Chil. Park., packed in by one of the worst losers I have ever met and there were fresh tracks every morning, all week, at the waterhole about 200 yds. from our camp. I had a matched pair of P-64 .338s and my buddy had his custom ZG-47-9.3sx64 in carefully selected spots at the camp and all was cool.

So, I agree with you, FP, I do exactly what you do and I am quite confident in the .338, 9.3 or .375, any of these will work. It CAN be hard not to just shoot and kill the bear, but, that's not what I consider acceptable, just like killing game and leaving the meat to rot.

#2105322 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: BCBrian]  
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Originally Posted by BCBrian
I did say - once - that the accomplishments of my Dad, my relatives and my ancestors was not a source of "pride" for me. I was merely pointing out, that to my way of thinking, "pride" comes out of one's own accomplishments.

I metioned my Dad's EXPERIENCE not as a source of pride - but as the voice of someone who's actual experience in regards to killing grizzlies, usually alone, and without a guide - bore listening to. My Dad did use calibers beyond 40 for grizzlies - but eventually settled on the 30-06, and the pump-action, as being "perfect" - for him.

I wanted to point out also that killing grizzlies is different from being around a lot of them. Heck, if being around game animals is what counts - my experiences within 100 yards of my house probably trumps the Benoit family's experiences! I chase away many of them away from my wife's roses and the cedar hedge every day. Sometimes in numbers that exceed 20 at a time.

But, I think you can see and appreciate the difference between doing that every day - and hunting them the way the Benoit family does. When it comes to hunting them - if the Benoits are talking - I'm listening!

It was that experiential knowledge about killing grizzlies that my Dad had at length, and that's the reason I mentioned it. Not to brag about it - or as a source of my own pride - but rather the experience of one who should be listened to.

The fact he regarded a short, light 30-06 pump as being his favorite - is, in my opinion, not to be discounted.

Now that he's gone, if I ever do shoot a big grizzly - since i can't have my dad at my side - I can't think of many people I'd rather have at my side than you, Kutenay.




I am truely humbled by that, Brian, and was just trying to point something out here that is important to, IMO, both of us and others as well.

I knew a guy when I started this that shot a lot of West Kootenay Grizzlies with exactly that setup, but, I never have really trusted those rifles with handloads and so have prefered bolt actions, especially CRFs with field-strippable bolts.

I have been asked, quite a number of times, from my early 20s to accompany Grizzly hunters and have done so out of friendship. I am not especially afraid of them, but, I do feel better with the larger rifles. I started with a Browning Safari CRF .30-06 and it was a great rifle, but, this was when the young women were killed in Glacier Park quite close to where I was living solo in the FH Valley and, that winter, Harvey Cardinal was killed and partially devoured out of Fort Nelly; I knew one of the COs who hunted ans shot that bear, a real monster.

I think that refering to family situations is fine, of course I am proud of my relatives who volunteered and bled for Canada in both wars as is every other Canuck with veteran relatives I know or ever have known. I am also proud to be a member of a pioneer family, that was a major factor in my choice to become active in wilderness preservation, etc., in the early '60s when it was NOT cool and it eventually cost me a fine career in the B.C.F.S.....and I would do it again.

Pride that motivates one to excel is not a negative emotion, while a feeling of special status based on ethnicity IS. Have you EVER seen me claim anything other than equality or state that I should be allowed more Elk or Trout because of when my ancestors came here? That is, as we both know, what the real issue is.

Use an .06-220 NP if you prefer, lots of good men have, I would if I did not have these other rifles AND I just enjoy mucking about with many different guns...a very non-PC thing these days!

#2105336 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: zxc]  
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#2105730 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: retrieverman]  
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Some of you may recall the pictures I posted a couple years ago when my neighbor was charged by Grizzly sow with two cubs, he got one shot off as she came down on him and it entered just above her head and broke her spine, she died after knocking him down. This was a greenhorn to Alaska who had never even seen a bear before and his first encounter was being attacked, he was shooting a 30-06 with 180 grain bullets that he brought with him from down south. My answer to me is either gun mentioned as they are both more than capable of doing the job if you are adapt at using one of them.

The details about this event was he was running his two labs along the treeline in a large cleared LZ the military uses for training, and some guy had some snares along the tree line and had accidentally snout snared a cow mooose which had died, this sow and her cubs were feeding on the cow when he came down the treeline and suprised them.

#2105867 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: AlaskaCub]  
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Would nobody choose the Marlin 1895G 45-70? Would not a good 400 grain bullet from said gun do the job quite nicely? Personally, I can fire follow-up shots more quickly with a levergun than any bolt-action.

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#2105874 - 03/23/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: zxc]  
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#2106066 - 03/24/08 Re: 9.3X62 or 338 Win. Mag: Which would you rather have in your hands..... [Re: waterrat]  
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There's lots of performance overlap between most of the medium-bore cartridges, and quite honestly, I haven't even seen much significant difference between the 375 H&H and the 338 Win. Mag. as far as terminal results go, either.

I don't doubt that the 9.3x62 is an excellent cartridge, but I've been a 338 Win. Mag. fan for 28 years, and that's the cartridge I do most of my hunting with these days.

The next time I hunt grizzlies, it'll be with a 338 Win., and I won't be staying up nights wondering if it's enough gun, either.........

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