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Warren Page and Bob Hagel proved many times over the lethality of 7mm mags, especially the 7MM Mashburn Super Magnum (one for you Dober). They killed tons of game all over the world.

There aint no magic cartridge. If you are concerned that the cartridge could be your limiting factor, that demonstrates that you are not competent to shoot at that range.
Anyone competent to shoot at extreme ranges knows what the limiting factors are.

Hey Sam now you're talking our language about the 7 Mashburn Super! Mines on the bench right now and needs a new barrel b4 it gets back into the game...

Dober

What bullet do they run in their 7's?

It'll kill 'em at a range longer than a "sportsman" should be shooting them.

Last year two were using 160 Partitions and one was using 160 TSX in the Federal Premium line. None of them reload.

Bear-are the fellas hunting on their own or outfitted? Also have you gone with them?

Thx
Dober

They always hunt on their own. Never been on an outfitted hunt in their lives. I have been hunting with them for 9 years now. I have learned plenty from these master elk hunters. One guy is 72 and I cannot keep up with him. He walks about 5 miles every day in the mountains to keep in shape. When elk hunting he might cover 10 miles or more in a day! Since they are locals, they have a good idea when and where the elk will be. For me, it's like going on a guided hunt for free.

Was at the range last weekend with a couple new .30-06s, a Savage 111 and a Remington M700. A few rounds to sight in at 100 and then it was off to plink the 500-yard steel. Far more hits than misses and from what I could see, with the exception of 1 round that was using a heavier bullet, all the misses were still in the kill zone.

At that range I'd rather use my 7mm RM but either will suffice. I agree with Dobr - the shooters generally fall short sooner than the cartridges do.

350 yards is plenty far if you have to ask.

Can you really shoot that far, in the field?

What bullet did they use, I don't know about Hagel but Warren page liked the 175 grain Nosler which back then was a semi spitzer design.

Rick-Bob (Hagel) used both the 175 in a semi and the 160 in the spitzer. I sort of got the opinion from him that for longer ranges he preferred the 160's.

I've shot a fair amount of game with both the 160 NPT and the 175 Semi NPT and they both work wonderfully! One of the most dramatic kills I ever saw was on a nice whitey I took with the 175 semi, wish I'd of had it on tape!

Dober

It'll take flies off the cement wall at the Clampett Mansion.

How much further would you need than that?

Ooooh doggy, and Granny's rhumatism medicine will peal the paint off the ce-ment walls too.

A guy I talked to who used to guide in Hells Canyon, where DRT kills "would be nice" to say the least, said that the 175 Partition from a 7-mag was their least favorite bullet for a client to be shooting at elk. They'd give that client to one of the new, young guides. Rodeo's (long tracking job, difficult retrievals) often ensued according to this gentleman.

Dunno.

-jeff

Jeff- I be the guide liked the 300's and perhaps the 06.

I've done a fair bit of guiding and this much I've learned. A lot of guides while being very game and country savvy are about clueless when it comes to rounds/ballistics/bullets etc.

Whenever I meet and or hear a guide say these kinds of things I quickly size them up for what they are....and it normally aint good!

The big 7's with a 175 NPT is one of the best pure plain killing machines ever made, periodo!

I'll only add that the idea of giving the guys with said combo to the new guides is an interesting move as well. Most of the new guides/young guides just don't have the savvy about people to be truly good guides. They don't put their client in a postition to win. A guides duties is to find the game and to be able to judge a clients ability (in many ways from physical to mental) and get them within sure fire 1 shot kill range of the game.

Dober

Surely you must admit that your attempt to steer folks away from the 175 Partition is based on zero experience with it yourself, and the "rodeos" could be explained by poor shot placement just as easily.

Get back to us when you "doono"....

That guide was full of [bleep]! Most guides don't know squat about ballistics. Probably had a couple of poor shot clients with 7mm mags, now all 7mm mags suck

The 175's in any 7mm mag will kill anything that walks, or crawls. Warren Page proved that, and so did Bob Hagel.

Les Bowman, one of the best elk guides of all time, prefered the 7mm mag to all others.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the guide in this instance isn't ol' dogzapper himself... IIRC he's made similar statements in the past. Besides, JO's been talking about the Hell's Canyon thing, conversations with DZ, and hunting with just two rifles for some time now...

I don't say this to be rude, just a point of fact. As others have said, if you have to ask than you probably should not be shooting much over 200-250 yards. Keep in mind "Most" hunters will run out of skill long before that 7mm Mag will.

I say this as a seasoned hunter with limited time to shoot a lot myself. For me 300 is a long poke, but do-able, even then I would just as soon get closer!