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I have a couple of questions for all you<BR>knowledgeable souls regarding the<BR>Leupold VariX-III M3 LR. I have finally<BR>broken down and purchased an M1A NM and <BR>want to scope it. <P>1. About a year ago, I heard second hand<BR>that the 308 cam being shipped was set<BR>for a new 175gr load used by DoD, rather <BR>than the standard 168gr. If true, is this<BR>still the case?<P>2. I understand that the VX-III M1 LR cams<BR>can be added to the M3. Does this eliminate<BR>use of the BD Cams?<P>Thanks In Advance from the Perpetually <BR>Perplexed,<P>Tree<P>

Tree, <BR> I would recommend you e-mail Dick Thomas at Premier Reticles. You can get his e-mail from <A HREF="http://www.premierreticles.com" TARGET=_blank>www.premierreticles.com</A> . I can't think of a better information source on Leupolds regarding BDCs and turret conversion. Best, Matt in Virginia.

Matt,<P>Thanks! Your point is well taken. I had <BR>thought about trying to contact Leupold,<BR>but it would have taken me a lot of time<BR>to get through Customer Service and talk<BR>to someone who really knows. I will contact<BR>Premier per your suggestion.<P>By the way, from the weather reports, it <BR>sounds like you are getting a good bit of snowfall for Virginia, up to 8".<P>Up here in the DC area, with the forecast <BR>and accumulation even exceeding 1 inch in<BR>places... everybody went and rushed to take<BR>their place in the traffic jam. Those not<BR>sitting in traffic or involved in the many<BR>local multicar accidents are probably in the<BR>grocery store repeating the local snow<BR>mantra: "Bread, Milk, Toilet Paper". (Y'all<BR>from Alaska and the Dakotas, now stop your<BR>laughing). <P>Tree<BR>

<P>Tree,<P>1) I understand the 168g dial will work with the 175g bullet. These M3 scopes and the Mark 4 M3 have calibrated dials...not cams.<P>2)A M3 scope can be changed over the M1 adjustments with 1/4 moa clicks. The M1 adjustments are "target style" adjustments. M3 has 1 moa clicks on the elevation and 1/2 moa clicks for windage. Leupold can do this for you for $$73 for elevation only or $125 for both windage and elevation.<P>3)Generally speaking if you want accuracy go with the M1. If you want a quick way to adjust for distance shooting go with the M3. Remember, as an example, at 600 yards 1 minute click will move point of impact about 6 inches or the M1 one click will change POI 1.5 inches<P>Dick <BR>

Dick,<P>Thanks so much for replying. We are very <BR>fortunate to have such a tremendous amount<BR>of knowledge available here. <P>I do appreciate you cutting to the chase <BR>on the decision point between the M1 and M3. <BR>I don't think that I will have the time for<BR>long range target shooting. The nearest <BR>long distance range I know of is down in <BR>Quantico. (Currently on the other side of a<BR>128 car accident, according to reports.)<P>So it sounds like the M3 is the better<BR>choice.And from the pricing it begins to<BR>sound like an illuminated mildot may end up<BR>being about the same as or less expensive<BR>than the non-illuminated mildot.<BR> <BR>Thanks Again,<P>Tree

Tree, <P> Actually we got fairly lucky and just recieved sleet and rain... Hope you have good luck with your scope choice. Best, Matt.

Tree,<BR>You're gonna love the LRM3!<BR>Like Mr.Thomas said just remember that the clicks are 1 Min. and you'll do fine.<BR>I played around with mine and found that out to 660yds the corelation between the 168's and 175's is almost nil.Any error present is under the crosswire and can't be determined.<BR>Factor in atmospheric changes from day to day and it's zero for practical application.<BR>One thing though.On your M1A make sure your mount is as solid as feasable.Bed the thing if necessary so it mates like a glove.The mount is the weakest link on the M14,and can give you fits if it decides to betray you.<BR>Good luck to ya!<BR>E4E<P>------------------<BR>Remove the mechanical variables,and then you can only blame yourself!<BR>http://home.intekom.com/upfront/cost.htm

Matt,<BR> Good to hear that you did not have to deal<BR> with the snow. The weatherman were<BR> spreading tales of panic and disaster.<P>E4E,<BR> Dang, I guess I will go out and do it.<BR> Your points on the mount are right<BR> on. The M1A receiver is not particularly<BR> convenient for a mount.<P> I have an ARMS 18. Before I stick it on, I<BR> am thinking through 2 issues. First, to <BR> make sure I don't put it on crooked. (And I<BR> have heard of such cases.) Second, what I<BR> should do between the receiver and the<BR> mount. I will probably just slather gun<BR> grease between the two.<P> Thanks Again!<P> Tree