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Hmm, if it sounds to good to be true..... anyway I've also read that Mule Deer is doing and article for handloader that includes pressure testing with both the .338 and .358 loads. Really looking forward to that one. Can't wait. -jeff
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I used a load of 52 gr of W-748 under a 225 gr Partition in my MRC 1999 .358 Win. It did kick a bit in my light rifle (under 7 pounds) but the main problem I found was that the tiny granules of W-748, under pressure of a very compressed load, actually went through the primer flash hole and backed my primers out. I don't know if the difference was loading them a month or two before the hunt, the air pressure of the flight or what, but it was a problem I had not expereinced at home with fresh reloads. After the third or fourth time of hearing a "click" instead of "bang," I used my PH's .375 H&H. Sometimes a second or third try on firing the round by just lifting the bolt handle to re-cock the rifle would work, but not all the time. I found the 225 gr Barnes TSX and Nosler Accubond were too long for my rifle's throat and had to be seated too deeply. Personally, I like the 225 gr Partition. My rifle has a 21-inch Montana Rifleman barrel and is in an Edge stock - ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunttalk.com/forums/gallery/files/0/100_4850.JPG) Your report is quite interesting and possible. I would add to this discussion that FL sized brass will hold less powder than fire formed brass. I use FL sized brass in my hunting loads. I do not use ball powders at all. RL-10 is what I use now in the .358 with 180 and 200 gr bullets.
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Calif Hunter, I'm really sorry that you had that happen on your hunt. I remember you worked hard to get that load together....
Can someone help me out for load data on cast 275 grain bullets in the .358 Winchester? At this point I mostly want low power stuff to shoot the steel gong with without upsetting the neighbors.... My little past of the world has sadly been "discovered" by the second home crowd and new homes are popping up all around me....
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. Given the limitations of the .358, and powder capacity and mag length are BIG ONES, a non-tipped 225-gn premium penetrator like the NP would seem about perfect... to me.
-jeff Hornady makes the 180 SSP, the 200 and 2 types of 250 grain slugs. For the hunting I do I'd be very happy to see them bring out a standard flat based 225 bullet. I get good accuracy with the Sierra 225 BTSP but with my chamber I have to seat it out to far to trust it as a hunting round.
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J...... He stated that the Speer 250s were too tough for good expansion at longer ranges..... so I mostly used them in fireforming loads... not sure if I have any of those left now. The Speer is a fine bullet at 358 speeds and reasonable distances in said cartridge. In testing, it appears to be as hard, and perhaps softer than the Hornadys, yet will not blow up. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/medium/677235cal.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/medium/6772DSCF0495.JPG) On moose, it hasn't proven to be too soft at all (in the 358 Win). This is from a moose shot at around 40 yards, -30� F, 3+ feet penetration and no bone except for a rib near zero fps. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/6772DSCF250GrandSlam358.JPG) The 250 Hornady SP pictured below split open after contacting the heavy leg bone on a moose at longish (well past 200 yards) distance. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/medium/677202_Moose_Bullets.JPG) 250s don't move quite as fast as I'd like them to and are, consequently, not as ideal as I'd like for the 358. (I'd be happy with 225 and 275s from Hornady if they would go that way. I know they have, or had, bullet forming dies for the 275 .358 bullet as it used to be cataloged.) The 250 Speer is my preferred 250 when I run that weight though.
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Actually, I didn't pressure-test my loads for the .358 in the upcoming article for HANDLOADER (out in maybe 6 weeks for the Internet subscribers). I just assumed that it could safely get about 3% more velocity than the .338 Federal with equal bullet weights, and about 95% of the velocity of the .35 Whelen.
Both of these assumptions come from my "rules" for internal ballistics. I also found a little bit of modern .358 data here and there, which bore my calculations out. I quite easily reached 2400 with a 250-grain bullet, and 2750 with a 200, both in a 22" barrel.
I will not be using any of these loads in my 99 Savage, but they posed no problem at all for a bolt action Ruger Hawkeye.
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That 200-gn load is particularly interesting to me, as it's what I use mostly. I thought *I* was doing good at 2640 fps <g>!
John, did you work anything up with 225's? It would seem... 2600 fps would be reasonable?
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My computer now thinks I gave it a pass word to open my email. I didn't<remember Hal from 2001 a Space odyssey.... grrrr> I need to check for a phone # where I can speak to a real person to figure out why I can't log on to handloader anymore....
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I think Handloader is going to sell a lot of issues for this article..... notice how threads about anything .35 generate lots of posts here.....?
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I would have to dig through my notes, but I am pretty sure that the 52 gr load of W-748 gave about 2630 FPS with the Nosler 225 gr Partition from my 21-inch barrel.......
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Mule Deer- what powders did you experiment with? 3031 has given me the best accuracy out of my old BLR. I can't wait six weeks.
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For all those folks wanting a trim short action .35, and not satisfied with the .358, get a .350 mag.  I have 2 of each. 
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Jeff:
I have used the 225 NP on both deer and elk with good results. My Ruger has a 23" barrel. I can get close to 2600 fps with Win 748 and use a 2 ft. drop tube to better orient the powder in the case and lessen the need to compress the powder.
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Yep - I was wrong in my post above. 52.0 gr of W-748 gave me about 2530 FPS with the 225 gr partition. I did go as high as 54.0 gr, but the velocity gain was minimal and the accuracy went south.
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Although I have only taken a couple of large hogs with the 225 grain .358 Woodleigh out of my .350 mag, I think that bullet will be awesome on deer out of the .358 Win.
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I like his comments (Paco) about anealing the tips of his cast bullets by placing them in water and hitting with a torch. I'm going to try that. I just ordered a .358", 245 grain gas check, flat point Saeco mould, gas checks and Lee sizer die kit from Midway (they sent me a birthday discount deal and I couldn't resist). This is for a .356 Win that is beind made from a 336RC .35 Rem by Regan Nonneman in Misouri. Won't be able to test em until mid June though...
dang, I just realized I did't get any mould handles... gotta take care of that.
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For all those folks wanting a trim short action .35, and not satisfied with the .358, get a .350 mag. I have 2 of each. John, you are such a flat out .35 slut  How about posting a picture of your tricked out custom shop .350 here?
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Oh John, you had to ask. Well, OK. It now wears a 2.5-8x VXIII.
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You are so lucky that stock was 1/2" short for me BTW are the Woodleigh 225s a flat based bullet? It appears you now have the perfect down East swamp gun.....
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