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#2343288 - 07/31/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: bxroads]  
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Try 45 gr TAC and hornady 150 grain boattails.

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#2356811 - 08/07/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: bamaguy]  
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I ran some stuff over a chrono recently from an 18" M600 Remington.

45gr Varget gave 2600 with various 165's.
48gr Varget and 48gr W748 both gave a bit over 2700 with 150BT's.


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#2356836 - 08/07/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: JPro]  
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#2357202 - 08/07/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: mathman]  
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R-P cases, CCI 200's.


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#2357284 - 08/07/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: JPro]  
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Thanks. Did you go up to 46 with the 165s? That's what works like gangbusters in R-P with the CCI 200 for me.

#2358676 - 08/08/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: mathman]  
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I didn't try it, as these were some older "test" handloads I was using to get a scope dialed in after mounting. There was likely room to go 46grains. It's my father's rifle, and he like the 150gr load.


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#2371185 - 08/14/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: JPro]  
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That's It! Now all this jibber jabber about 308's has me wanting one. Not that I need it, but I guess that will be my next purchase.

#2371262 - 08/14/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: RatherBHuntin]  
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I pick mine up on the Aug.21. 10 Day waiting period.
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#2375699 - 08/17/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Hammerdown]  
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Two powders excell in the .308 and that be WW-748 and IMR-4064...



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#2376143 - 08/17/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: atkinsonhunting]  
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Those are classics, but these days they have a lot of strong competition.

#2387890 - 08/23/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: mathman]  
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Two powders that excell in the 308 and that would be RL-15 and Rl-15, thought someday,I may try some TAC

#2404004 - 08/31/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Taconic11]  
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Like most I have found about any powder of "around 4895" burning rate to shoot in the .308 with 150-168 grain bullets. But lately I have been running 46.0 Varget in all our .308's for a hunting load, changing only the bullet. Accuracy has been better than average in all, and muzzle velocities have run from 2800 (in my wife's Serengeti Artemis with 21" Lilja) to 2900 (in my Merkel single shot's 24" barrel). Varget is also as temperature-stable as any powder in this burn-rate range, which helps since we have used these loads at widely varying temps in North America and Africa.

But I also suspect we could use single-based horse manure in the .308 and groups would be under an inch at 100.


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#2404007 - 08/31/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Mule Deer]  
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#2405256 - 08/31/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Mule Deer]  
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John, over the last ten or twelve years Varget and RL15 have become my go-to powders in the 308. Generally accuracy between the two is indistinguishable but RL15, from lot to lot, is generally 25 - 50 fps faster than Varget. Why this should be, I can't explain but it usually nudges me to RL15. I'm not a speed freak but hey, if it's there I'll take it!



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#2405777 - 09/01/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Brad]  
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Target shooters report that hot loads with Varget seem to burn out the throats faster.

RL-15 is the powder for our military snipers, because it performs well over a broad range of temperatures, without big swings in pressure.

#2409627 - 09/02/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Lee24]  
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RL-15 is the powder for our military snipers because it is the powder that was accepted for U.S. military use. This does not mean that it was the powder deemed best for that exact purpose by vast testing, though it is a good powder.

The U.S. military also decided to make a unrepairable, rather cheap binocular its standard a few years ago, just because it was OK and was cheaply replaceable.

I am not putting down RL-15. It's a great powder. But because the U.S, military uses anything ain't a reason to think that anything is best. A lot of soldiers buy some equipment because it is better than issue.

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#2412654 - 09/04/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Mule Deer]  
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Fort Benning AMU, Fort Bragg, USMC, and US Navy SEALs all do R&D on rifles and loads. They have selected different rifles, but all settled on RL-15 for the 7.62x51mm.

MuleDeer didn't name the Army binocular he disliked, but I assume he is talking about the Steiner 8x30 Miliary Marine. I happen to like it for its intended purpose. It is light, and because it does not require refocusing for various ranges, it is easy to lift out of a pocket and use with one hand for a quick look by a platoon leader. The Steiner 7x50 is used for more serious observation by infantry and armor.

The hippies didn't invent the term "appropriate technology".

#2413394 - 09/04/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Lee24]  
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Funny, a friend had a pair of Steiner 8x30 MM's... I thought they were complete chit.


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#2413464 - 09/04/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Brad]  
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Originally Posted by Brad
Funny, a friend had a pair of Steiner 8x30 MM's... I thought they were complete chit.


I totally concur!

I bought a pair back in the fall of 01 to have as a loaner pair while guiding, I couldn't return them fast enough. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy!

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#2414324 - 09/05/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]  
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Take it up with MuleDeer. He didn't identify the binoculars; I am just guessing.

There is no such thing as the "best binocular", only the best one for the job at hand, and even then, you may not need the very best and most expensive. A lot of brand name sales pitch is to insecurities of the customers, and their inability to actually discern, appreciate, or place a value on the differences - so they buy the most expensive and famous labels, which may actually be not the best or even unsuitable for their intended use.

#2414495 - 09/05/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Lee24]  
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Lee,

I have no prejudices against lower-priced binoculars (read my most recent post in the Optics forum under "best binolcuars for around $300") but have looked through enough binoculars in ALL price ranges to know a POS when I see one.


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#2414755 - 09/05/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Mule Deer]  
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Since you don't name the binocular, define the application or your criteria, nor your definition of "POS", no one can discuss it with you.

Whatever you consider a POS may do quite well for someone else.
Whatever you consider a good buy, or "best binocular", might be useless for another hunter, and considered a POS by another one.

#2416823 - 09/06/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Lee24]  
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On "How It's Made" this morning they had a segment on making binoculars. It turned out to be Steiners (they showed the finished binocs with the logo at the end). As they were putting them together I kept thinking, that doesn't look too precise. Especially when the lady putting the binoculars together was using bare fingers touching the lenses.

#2420289 - 09/07/08 Re: Good .308 Loads [Re: Black Hills Bret]  
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Seeing this is a sticky on "good .308 loads", why don't we "stick" to that topic and forget the binos.

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