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Finally did some shooting at the range this weekend. Tried the Reloader 7 loads I mentioned from Barnes and also the Benchmark load that John mentioned. All with the 160gr Barnes TTSX. I think it really likes RL7. I tired 40, 41.3, 42.6, and 44gr loads and the 44gr load was the worst at 1.025". This group measured .357". Not to mention it was shot with a Leupold 6x42 with a German No. 4 reticle. ![[Linked Image]](http://dnjclark.smugmug.com/photos/326271112_PtQpH-L.jpg) Best group so far with Benchmark measured .739". ![[Linked Image]](http://dnjclark.smugmug.com/photos/326271243_jpx9w-L.jpg)
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My .358 loves RL7 for loads from 140-gn pistol bullets at almost 3000 fps, to 200-gn bullets at 2625 fps... Good stuff!
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What's the going price of a Kimber in 338? I like the looks of the one in JB's article.
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As per my previous comment, my issue showed up today, three weeks after the first readers commented.
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Junior1942, it'll be $1000-ish. Perhaps $1100. For a Montana version anyway.
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As per my previous comment, my issue showed up today, three weeks after the first readers commented. Closer to a month. Mine hasn't gotten here yet. They must be dropping them off in Canada on the way north... The frickin newstand at Safeway has them, for crying in a bucket! Pretty damned annoying...and no, don't anyone tell me to subscribe online. I'n not taking my laptop into the crapper! Dennis
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...and no, don't anyone tell me to subscribe online. I'n not taking my laptop into the crapper!
Dennis It ain't so bad, once you get used to it! Trouble is, your legs go to sleep faster, with the extra weight on them.  Jeff
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...and no, don't anyone tell me to subscribe online. I'n not taking my laptop into the crapper!
Dennis It ain't so bad, once you get used to it! Trouble is, your legs go to sleep faster, with the extra weight on them. Jeff I thought I was the only person that that had ever happenned to...grin
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I did not include 250-275 grain load for the .338 Federal because they are too slow.
Plus, as I pointed out in the article, the entire concept of the .338 Federal (especially vs. the .358) is a flater-shooting, higher-pressure round capable of longer range shooting, especially with lighter premium bullets.
If anybody wants to load the .338 Federal with 250 or 275-grain bullets, they should. It's a free country. An approximatel;y correct powder charge can be arrived at easily with a little figuring. But WHY? If you really want to use a 250, buy a .358--or .35 Whelen or .338 Winchester or any other round designed for that use Ive loaded Hornady 250 grain round noses in my 338F (Sako 85) and made 2320 fps (44.5 grs H4895, F-C 338F brass, F210 primer). My main reason to try them was 'just cuz', hadn't seen any mention of loading a 338F with anything heavier than 225 gr. I did some testing, settled on 44.5 grs & 2320 fps, and was content. They probably wouldnt out penetrate a 210 tsx (my main load @ 2625 fps) or similar, but they look cool, and I bet they'll work just fine when I slip into the timber to hunt elk in September.  The 358 ain't got nuttin' on it 
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Just got my copy. What I find REALLY interesting is on pg 5. Swift announcing a new 308cal bullet in 108gr. A-Frame and ScirrocoII versions at that!
108gr ? Musst bee a typograffikle airer.
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I did not include 250-275 grain load for the .338 Federal because they are too slow.
Plus, as I pointed out in the article, the entire concept of the .338 Federal (especially vs. the .358) is a flater-shooting, higher-pressure round capable of longer range shooting, especially with lighter premium bullets.
If anybody wants to load the .338 Federal with 250 or 275-grain bullets, they should. It's a free country. An approximatel;y correct powder charge can be arrived at easily with a little figuring. But WHY? If you really want to use a 250, buy a .358--or .35 Whelen or .338 Winchester or any other round designed for that use Ive loaded Hornady 250 grain round noses in my 338F (Sako 85) and made 2320 fps (44.5 grs H4895, F-C 338F brass, F210 primer). My main reason to try them was 'just cuz', hadn't seen any mention of loading a 338F with anything heavier than 225 gr. I did some testing, settled on 44.5 grs & 2320 fps, and was content. They probably wouldnt out penetrate a 210 tsx (my main load @ 2625 fps) or similar, but they look cool, and I bet they'll work just fine when I slip into the timber to hunt elk in September. The 358 ain't got nuttin' on it Sure it does, its got .020" on it 
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My copy arrived yesterday -- exactly a month after the first poster. And a week after Safeway got bulk copies through the distributor. Whine mode off...  . So I read the article...pretty much tracks with my reasons for building a .338 Fed last year. JB is one critter ahead of me in the game fields, but I intend to correct that as soon as I can. He described it as efficient; I've always thought of it as useful. I also do like not having to pour so much powder down the tube, since it's not only expensive but occasionally a trifle hard to come by up here. Dennis
"The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets."
"If you're asking me something technical, you may be looking for My Other Brother Darrell."
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will the Remington components .357 180 HP work in the .358Win, they are about 6 cents each I think.
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Sure, .357 pistol bullets work fine, one can even use 9mm or .355" pistol bullets in a .358 win. while you may not get great accuracy it would only be a plinking or small game load anyway...
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I've run two pistol bullets in my .358, a 140-gn Speer hollowpoint made for .38 Sp, and a 158-gn XTP made for .357 mag.
They are really fun, and cheap to shoot, and you can get them SCREAMING along with RL7. The 158 is quite accurate in my .358 too at around 2 MOA; plenty good for offhand screwing around.
From how they blow things up, I have a suspicion that they would be HELL on a raccoon, but I have not yet gotten to try them. I also suspect that the 158 into the ribs of a deer would poleaxe it.
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I remember reading some tests done by Richard Mann and Charlie Sisk on the .358win and i thought they said that Ramshot X-terminator was a good performer in the .358, did you test this powder? or is it too fast a burn rate? Thanks for any replies
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Jeff, if/when mine gets back from Ruger (where it had to go as they cut the chamber too long) I am going to try the Remington 180 grain pistol bullets. Most of my shots are at under 50 yards. Do you think I could get 3000 fps with the 180 and RL-7?
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I have seen velocities like that with RL 10 shooting the 180 Speer and the 180 Hornady SSP. They looked like overloads. I keep the velocity under 2800 with 180's and all is well.
Imr 4198 will work with 180's as well.
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I have wondered what kind of velocity a 140g xpb would give and if it would be a good moderate range bullet for deer.
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I am not sure what a 140 xpb's construction is? You can calculate velocities and loads in fact with loading programs. The Powley Formula is free and others may be also. http://kwk.us/powley.htmlhttp://kwk.us/powders.html
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