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John, over the last ten or twelve years Varget and RL15 have become my go-to powders in the 308. Generally accuracy between the two is indistinguishable but RL15, from lot to lot, is generally 25 - 50 fps faster than Varget. Why this should be, I can't explain but it usually nudges me to RL15. I'm not a speed freak but hey, if it's there I'll take it!



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Target shooters report that hot loads with Varget seem to burn out the throats faster.

RL-15 is the powder for our military snipers, because it performs well over a broad range of temperatures, without big swings in pressure.

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RL-15 is the powder for our military snipers because it is the powder that was accepted for U.S. military use. This does not mean that it was the powder deemed best for that exact purpose by vast testing, though it is a good powder.

The U.S. military also decided to make a unrepairable, rather cheap binocular its standard a few years ago, just because it was OK and was cheaply replaceable.

I am not putting down RL-15. It's a great powder. But because the U.S, military uses anything ain't a reason to think that anything is best. A lot of soldiers buy some equipment because it is better than issue.

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Fort Benning AMU, Fort Bragg, USMC, and US Navy SEALs all do R&D on rifles and loads. They have selected different rifles, but all settled on RL-15 for the 7.62x51mm.

MuleDeer didn't name the Army binocular he disliked, but I assume he is talking about the Steiner 8x30 Miliary Marine. I happen to like it for its intended purpose. It is light, and because it does not require refocusing for various ranges, it is easy to lift out of a pocket and use with one hand for a quick look by a platoon leader. The Steiner 7x50 is used for more serious observation by infantry and armor.

The hippies didn't invent the term "appropriate technology".

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Funny, a friend had a pair of Steiner 8x30 MM's... I thought they were complete chit.


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Funny, a friend had a pair of Steiner 8x30 MM's... I thought they were complete chit.


I totally concur!

I bought a pair back in the fall of 01 to have as a loaner pair while guiding, I couldn't return them fast enough. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy!

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Take it up with MuleDeer. He didn't identify the binoculars; I am just guessing.

There is no such thing as the "best binocular", only the best one for the job at hand, and even then, you may not need the very best and most expensive. A lot of brand name sales pitch is to insecurities of the customers, and their inability to actually discern, appreciate, or place a value on the differences - so they buy the most expensive and famous labels, which may actually be not the best or even unsuitable for their intended use.

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Lee,

I have no prejudices against lower-priced binoculars (read my most recent post in the Optics forum under "best binolcuars for around $300") but have looked through enough binoculars in ALL price ranges to know a POS when I see one.


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Since you don't name the binocular, define the application or your criteria, nor your definition of "POS", no one can discuss it with you.

Whatever you consider a POS may do quite well for someone else.
Whatever you consider a good buy, or "best binocular", might be useless for another hunter, and considered a POS by another one.

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On "How It's Made" this morning they had a segment on making binoculars. It turned out to be Steiners (they showed the finished binocs with the logo at the end). As they were putting them together I kept thinking, that doesn't look too precise. Especially when the lady putting the binoculars together was using bare fingers touching the lenses.

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Seeing this is a sticky on "good .308 loads", why don't we "stick" to that topic and forget the binos.

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For the new .308 RL-15 43.7gr and barnes 168gr TTSX has been great and sometimes scary good.

Any using barnes 130gr TTSX? Have found one load that stays moa to 300yd, but never any spectacular groups at 100. Could it be the 1:12 twist holding it back? I would not think that to be the case, but many have more experience than me.

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Originally Posted by battue
Any using barnes 130gr TTSX? Have found one load that stays moa to 300yd, but never any spectacular groups at 100. Could it be the 1:12 twist holding it back? I would not think that to be the case, but many have more experience than me.

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130gr TSXs (haven't tried TTSXs yet) have averaged .957" at 100 yards for every load I have tried through with. Not too bad, but not nearly what this rifle will do with other loads. Interesting to me that neither seating depth nor powder charge have made any definite difference in group size. My barrel is a 1-11" twist. I kinda doubt twist is the issue though. I haven't stretched them out to 300, but probably should. MOA to 300 isn't too bad...

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I've shot the 130 TTSX with 45gr of IMR4895 at 100 and 200 with MOA. That's out of a Kimber Montana with 21" bbl. Haven't shot at 300 yet.

I've found that a little variation in seating depth makes a bigger difference in group size than the amount of powder.

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WN:
Thanks I'll try to give that a go this week, time permitting.

Now listen if that son of yours gets out of line, straighten him up by selling that 28ga 101 to me. That will teach him for sure. grin grin

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The phrase, "from my cold dead fingers" seems appropriate here crazy grin

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I've let two in 20ga slip out because of a "cold dead brain."

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I've shot the 130 TTSX with 45gr of IMR4895 at 100 and 200 with MOA. That's out of a Kimber Montana with 21" bbl. Haven't shot at 300 yet.

WN


Whelen Nut: Sent you a PM, that combo worked great.

Thanks.

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