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There are all kinds of new and better BS with a 9.3 BS when compared to a 9.3x62. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />.....shorter powder column...they claim it makes the WSM's better.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />...short action,, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />,,lighter... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />..it should duplicate a 338 Win mag with 250 grain bullets in a shorter, lighter rifle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />..shorter bolt throw.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />..Hows that for some BS advantages ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Gee......izzat a promotion?......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Must mean I get a rise...errr...raise.

Say......uhhhhh......what's a Kay-who-nuh????

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Sounds good, get this one up and running and then how about one for the small bullet guys since you have one for the big bullet guys now. I am think a quarter bore that will rival the .257 WBY Mag, not the bob or the 25-06, that will feed without hick up. This ones sales I think would smash the 9.3's. Look how many were PO'd at Brownchester for the .257 WSSM instead of the .257 WSM. Here is your chance boys!!

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Just 'cuz nobody needs this, is not an excuse to not build it


About ten years ago, an engineer at Omark snorted at a new rifle-cartridge design with the cynical, skeptical, rhetorical question Who needs it?

My answer was (is) that if need were the ruling criterion, there'd be only two rifle cartridges -- the .22 Long Rifle and the .30-06. Everyone laughed, and the engineer had no more to say on the subject.

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Cover North America with a 22 lr. and an '06???.....Gee how boring.

Hard to improve on of course, but think of all the marketing dudes that would be in the unemployment lines.

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To add to Charlie's recent posts: The name was carefully considered over a period of 24 hours or more (is that a plug, as long as there's no campfire burning?). We tried it first on my wife Eileen, who is patiently sitting in Montana amidst the snow, waiting for me to quit playing down here in southerh Texas. Her immediate reaction was: "It sounds like b-------t to me."--exactly the reaction we hoped for. Nobody will ever forget the name. Charlie and I have been watching other wildcatters for years, and have learned a few tricks.

The cartridge's justification is to save precisely one-half inch over the 9.3x62. That is the difference between the loaded rounds. Of course, some shooters will want to chamber it in a longer action, to gain that extra powder space. We ran some calculations already, and figure the long-action version would gain about 1% in velocity. That tiny margin has inspired many other wildcats, as well as investments on Wall Street, thousands of nose jobs, and inflation.

We hope to field-test the 9.3 BS in June, on prairie dogs in eastern Montana. If it proves adequate there, we'll move on to larger game: Teddy bears, golf carts, stretch Hummers--one of which we spotted in front of a hotel in Houston the other day.

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Marketing makes the world go round. BS all the way! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



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SU35--

We decided to go with the .350 case rather than a WSM or RSAUM because CHARLIE REFUSES TO FOOL WITH THEM!!!!
Many custom gunmakers loathe the short, beltless mag cases because it iis so hard to get other actions to work with them. Yes, many work very well with factory actions designed around them (I have personally had very good luck, especially with push-feed rifles), but people who want custom rifles generally also want to use another action.

This is often a short action NOT designed for a short-beltless, or some other action entirely. Charlie has been driven nuts trying to get them to feed in actions not specifically designed for the rounds. (He has also on occasion been driven nuts by factory short-beltless actions that didn't feed.)

The .350 is easy here, feeding fine in almost any short action. So there you are.

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C'mon John, are you telling us that the short mag design isn't perfect in every way. Your colleagues say it is. I promise. Maybe you had better talk to Charlie again. There must be some sort of a mistake. Please tell me there is a mistake. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Mule Deer,

I don't think I will be giving up my .376 Steyr in favor of the 9.3 BS -- although the name has it all over my cartridge. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I do note, however, that the Steyr SBS action this ProHunter rifle uses will feed anything I put in it, even WFN solids.

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Eureka! Now I understand... it's a legal big five round for Africa. A short action buff smasher for those tense moments when shortstroking is a possibility! All the more reason "BS" should be inscribed after its metric designation!

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MD,

I could not agree with you and Charlie anymore regarding the subject of making rounds feed reliably in a S/A. I picked Charlie's brain back in Dec on which Win 70 action to use with my 350RM project, he told me his choice and some pointers to go along with it. I'm pretty sure I made the right choice especially since this rifle might be used as a N. American DGR.

There was another poster on another forum who literally flamed my a$$ when I posted a WSM based wildcat may not be the best choice for a S/A DGR due to potential feeding problems. Please note I posted "best choice", I'm not saying it cannot be done. Why take the difficult route?

I'll just add Charlie knows his chit and I thank him for his advice he gave me in Dec. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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There are all kinds of new and better BS with a 9.3 BS when compared to a 9.3x62. .....shorter powder column...they claim it makes the WSM's better.. ...short action,, ,,lighter... ..it should duplicate a 338 Win mag with 250 grain bullets in a shorter, lighter rifle. ..shorter bolt throw.. ..Hows that for some BS advantages ?
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having fun today I see... I do not disagree, but when you are done you still just have a 9.3x62mm performance (which is very good). Nothing more or less... but it sure is fun ... is it not? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Sorry guys, but I 'just gotta laugh-boy, I was JUST THINKING about how I needed a new load for WATER BUFFALO hunting! From reading the replies, I can't tell if this is a joke or what, but to a guy who has never hunted anything bigger than a whitetail, and probably never will, it gave me a good laugh.

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When will you come out with the 284 based 9.3mm for those of us with spare .473 bolt faced short actions? BTW, what is the minimum barrel contour that you'd need for a 9.3mm?

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And here I thought my 700 Classic in 350 Rem Mag was the cats meow! Now I've got to rebarrel and rechamber. Now that I know there is something more effective, I'm not sure I can trust the 35 any longer. Can I live knowing a shot deer may take 10, 15, or maybe 20 leaps after the shot after realizing it could be 9, 14, or 19? And the bigger bullet......the added insurance for my "muzzle wobble". Think of the tracking time I'll save with a paunch shot 9.3 hole vs the 35 cal hole I now leave. Oh, and I already have the 350 Mag cases to neck up!

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Mule Deer:

From the perspective of someone waiting patiently for one of Saskatchewan's coldest winters in recent memory to end (Key Lake, SK, was the coldest place on the planet last week), it appears that if you and your associates were having any more fun, they'd have to lock you up.

Seriously, it's nice to reach those milestones in life, like inventing your own wildcat cartridge, that mark your journey toward firearms fulfillment. I can see the sense of the 9.3 BS given the availability of the 286-grain Nosler Partition, although I don't believe that I would want to shoot it out of a Remington Model 7. You should, however, immediately rush to introduce a 9.3-08 as a less powerful BS load. The junior version could capitalize on the undeniable cachet of historic loads like the 9.3x57 and 9.5x57 and give the rest of us more reasons to convert surplus flat rifles into the real thing.

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Give me a little more BS and wrap it in a SS Model 7 (my new love) and sign me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are on to something. Make it a 7mm BS, a 338 BS or XXX BS and I'll buy it on the name alone!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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That would make a nice piece.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.....got an action handy ? I'll get started. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Some of the more serious posters here seem to still be missing the point. Yeah, all it will do is duplicate 9.3x62 ballistics--but with 3-4 ounces less action weight, and a whole half-inch shorter magazine! I mean, isn't that why all the recent short mags appeared, and hunters bought them by the hundreds of thousands? Geez!

Both Charlie and I know that there really isn't any need for another wildcat, and darn few places to squeeze one into today's lineup. But why not? Aren't we here for fun and games?

Some other posters seem to be getting into the spirit of things. Yes, indeed, I do believe the 9.3 BS will drop big game a micro-second sooner than the .350 Magnum will--and once that new electronic stopwatch arrives I intend to prove it!

JB

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