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Hello!
I will be picking up a new to me 1953 mfg. Winchester model 70. It is a .270. It has an old ElPaso Weaver mounted with a post reticle. I don't have any plans to hot rod this old rifle. All I really want to do is come up with a standard load for a 130 grain flat base Hornady that is as time tested as a pre 64 Winchester.

Your help is appreciated.
CT

59 grains of H4831 with the 130 Hornady is the classic.

It would be hard to not go with Jack O'connor's combo of H4831 and a 130 gr. bullet. His loads were a little heavier than most published today; modern H4831 may be a little faster than the surplus powder he was using. Fiftynine grs. of current H4831 is probably close to perfect.

If that load doesn't happen to work, 54 or 55gr of IMR4350 is pretty well time proven, also.

I've owned several of these rifles and presently have four;one is on its second barrel, the first having expired after over 3000 rounds(have no idea how many were fired before I got it).Either 60-H4831 or 60 RL22 with 130 Sierra flat base,or 130 Nosler Partitions have done the bulk of the work for me over the years.I've found that if a M70 does not digest either of these loads, it's a sick M70.

I have never had a pre 64 M70 270(FW or Standard) that did not give fine accuracy and good field service with either of these loads.

Thanks men, I will start putting some together later this morning.

My pre-64 M70 Featherweight in .270 WIN performs sub-MOA with 59.5 grains of H4831SC, CCI BR2 primers, the Hornady Interlock 130 grain bullet and FED, WW or Frontier brass.

Odessa,
Have you ever chronographed that load?

Yep, give me a minute to go out to the shed and I will look it up for you.

Here you go - that load chronographed a 2950 fps avg velocity with the Beta Master Chrony set at 10' from the muzzle, at 81 degrees. my rifle has a 22" Douglas barrel.

Ps That load shoots 3/4" at 100 yards and just under 2" at 200 yards.

My exact load too. Shoots tiny groups through both a Model 700 and a Model 70. Kills deer very,very dead.

Bill

Thanks, so much guys, I have been out digging through my loading bench, and I have the primers, powder and brass, but the only bullets I have are 90, 115, and 130 grain in the interbonds. Will have to run out today and see if I can find a box of standard interlocks. My conscience won't let me shoot a plastic tipped bullet out of this rifle.

My standard 'old classic' .270 load since about 1972 is 54.0/IMR 4350/130g Sierra. It has worked well on deer and given excellent accuracy. Plateau Hunter

If you really want an O'Connor classic get 130 Partitions in front of 4831. JO seemed really satisfied with that load in his later writings especially, if memory serves well. If you stick with the Hornadys their manual really jacks up the 130's with about 62 gr H4831. If you don't have the manual I'll double check that load when I'm back at the bench.

And RTR!! Beat 'Ol Miss

My 270 M70 FWT shoots the 130gr partition in front of 60gr H4831SC at 3050fps over my Oehler 35P.
Nice accuracy as well.

my model 700 (24"tube) seemed to prefer 55gr of imr 4350, wlr primer, ww cases, and 130gr partitions. i tried 4831 but didn't get the accuracy i thought i should. however, i have an 06' that likes it.

Mine work well with these H-4831SC/CCI 200 loads with these 130s as well as the Speers. Have to work hard to make these shoot poorly.

Does anyone know which 130 grain bullet JOC favored? I remember him writing of the Western Open Point (whatever that was), Silvertip, and the 130 Speer. Someone here mentioned the 130 Nosler (don't remember reading of this bullet). Just curious since he would have used the 130s on a wide variety of game.

As far as I've read, he really didn't seem to favor any particular one. He appeared to me to have been somewhat of a tinkerer, always in search of the elusive perfect load. However, I seem to recall seeing him mention the Western most often.

O.K. gents, here it is from the horses mouth; Handloaders Digest, New Eighth Edition, Copyright 1978.

Jacks Favored Loads
"130 grain bullet of controlled expanding type with 60-62 grains of old H4831, 61 grains of W-W 785, 60 grains of Norma 205 or 55-56 grains of 4350. Velocity is from 3,050 to 3,150. Exellent bullets I have used are the W-W Power Point, the Remington pointed soft point Core-Lokt and the Nosler. This load can be used on everything from jackrabbits to moose. I have used more Nosler bullets in front of 62 grains of H4831 in W-W cases than anything else."

He includes in the article his favorite loads using 100, 150, and 170/180 grain bullets. If anyone is interested I'll write those up here also.

Hodgdon says you can substitute H4831SC one for one with H4831, and if you're going to put 60 gr in that case, SC is the way to go, IMHO.

270win
Put them up. It'll stir some memories, perhaps.

O.K., Jack O'Connors favorite loads for the 270 continued minus the previously mentioned 130 grain bullets;

"100 grain bullet with 52 grains of 4064. Velocity--3,300fps. I've shot dozens of coyotes and hundreds of jackrabbits with this load, but for woodchuck shooting I think the recoil is a bit heavy, and it shoots no flatter than good loads in the 243 and the 6mm Remington. For this light bullet I see no point in using slow-burning powders; all you do is increase the muzzle blast."

"150 grain bullet, controlled expanding type at 2,900-2,950 with 58.5 grains of old H4831, 54 grains of 4350 or 58 grains of 785. At 100 yards this load usually shoots within an inch of the 130 grain loads listed above, slightly lower at 200. Some may not agree with me but I have found it a fine elk load and an excellent one for large African antelope. Bob Lee used the Nosler version on leopard, lion, kudu and gemsbok, as well as on lions."

"160 grain bullet [Nosler, Barnes, Dominion] with 52 grains of 4350 or 54 grains of H4831. The late Hosea Sarber, a legendary Alaskan game warden, shot several big brown bears with the Barnes 160-gr. bullet and 52 grains of 4350. He said it killed as well and gave as deep penetration as the 172-gr. Western Tool and Copper Co. bullet he used in his 30-06."

"170/180-gr. bullets. The Speer 170-gr. round-nose soft point will travel along at 2,652 when pushed by 51 grains of 4350 and at 2,785 with 57 grains of H4831. The 180-gr. Barnes has a velocity of 2,650 with 54 grains of 4831. Barnes makes this bullet as a soft point or a solid. If the elephants are raising hell with your sweetpeas and you own a 270 you might try the 180 gr. solid!"

For those that may not know, the Dominion brand was [is] a Canadian arsenal.

From Layne Simpsons Shooters Handbook; "In it's heyday, the Western Tool and Copper Works had a reputation for making some of the best big game bullets available. Most were of cavity point style and constructed with a soft lead core enclosed by an extremely thick copper jacket. The original Barnes bullets developed by Fred Barnes are similar in constuction. Writers of yesteryear, Jack O'Connor and Elmer Keith in particular, often wrote about using W.T.C.W. bullets on various and sundry game. In fact, Keiths favorite bullets for two of his favorite cartridges, the 35 Whelen and 400 Whelen, were made by that company. I'm not sure when W.T.C.W. stopped producing bullets but it was probably during the late 1940's."

I seem to recall Jack writing he thought that the W.T.C.W. bullets were made by prison labor. Thoughts?

anyone using 62 grains of H4831 in the 270 Winchester these days?

FYI: There are also a bunch of J.O'C loads in "The Big Game Rifle" too. They pre-date the loads above so I won't take up space posting them.

FWIW, the RSY classic load is a 140-gr. InterLock atop 58-59 grains of Re-22.

Scott

O'Connor pretty much setteled on 62gr of H4831 and 130 Nosler in his favorite M70 Winchesters at the end. He said he had a custom mauser that would give the same velocity at 60 gr of H4831. Very early on he liked the Winchester 130 Pointed Expanding and then for a while the 130 Silvertip. Some others were mixed in, but this is what he mentions most in 130 weight. Hornady is the only place that shows 62 gr of H4831 these days.

Lou

That's probably because Hornady bullets generally have shorter bearing surfaces than other bullets, thus tend to produce less pressure. You can't use the same data for the 130 Partition that you can for the 130 Hornady Spire Point.

It isn't actually necessay to use H4831SC rather than standard H4831 to get 60 grains in the case. O'Connor used 62 grains of the old stuff, which was bulky, and I used it briefly when I started handloading. Just a little of the mil-surp H4831 was still found on shelves then, and I got 62 grains in the case with no real problem. Though the powder filled the cases right up to the case mouth, seating the bullet compressed it a little with no problem.

Most .270's do indeed still perk with around 60 grains of H4831 (whether long or short) and a 130. Tweaking the load a little to 59 or 60.5 or whatever probably depends on the bullet used and lot of powder as much as the individual rifle.

I have also found R22 and R19 to work about as well--except they tend to lose a lot of velocity at lower temperatures, and H4831 doesn't.

I use a fancy drop tube (an old Bic pen body ) between the funnel and case mouth.

Incidentally, O'Connor himself said that you should drop down a couple of grains with the "new" H4831 and that his 62 gr load was with the mil-surp powder which was apparently a bit slower. I think the only other 60gr+ load with 130s is in the Swift manual.

Lou

For almost ten years a pre64 M70 .270 was my only "big" rifle. For most of those years my only load was much like the rest of you, 60gr. of H4831 and 130gr. bullet, generally a Hornady. Later I came to believe that the 150gr. bullets might be a better all around load. Now, however after doing some expansion/penetration testing in wet newspaper with Nosler Partitions I'm not so sure it matters.

Thanks to everyone who has posted. On the way to work last night, I found one box of plain Jane Hornady 130 grain Interlocks. I picked them up, along with a pound of H4831. My cases are already prepped, and Maybe I will get a chance to load them tomorrow morning.

Once again, the experience available on this board amazes me.

John, I knew this was the case. But, could you quantify "a lot?" And also at what temps. I imagine here in Texas it's a pretty moot point for me, anyway.

Scott

He also used 49.5 gr. of 4064.
Now days thought of as too fast a burn rate for .270's, it continues to do a great job.

He also used 49.5 gr. of 4064.
Now days thought of as too fast a burn rate for .270's, it continues to do a great job.


I used 54 grains for YEARS with great accuracy in a pre-war M70 .270.

RSY,

Yeah, in Texas it probably wouldn't matter much. But I have found both powders to lose more than 100 fps from 70 F. to zero, and sometimes 150 fps.

The Ruraldoc classic is 54 grains of IMR 4350 with a 140 grain hornady BTSP. Used it for twenty years or so now. I have killed dozens of deer and hogs big and little with perfect results.

It has been accurate in a bunch of different rifles and is the quickest killer that I have used in the 270. I usually find the bullet under the offside hide if it doesn't exit. They weigh about half their original weight and expand to close to 2x the original diameter.

Try it if 130s don't group in your 270,or if you want a little bigger bullet to test.

JB,

Have you tested any of the "newer" RL22?........supposedly not a bad as the "old" stuff.

MM

Just a thought, don't know if anyone knows. At the time when J'OC was loading 62/H4831 did the 130 Nos. Ptns. have the relief groove in them? Those bullets would probably have decreased the bearing surface and reduced pressure a bit.

I have no idea during what time periods the bullets with the relief grooves were produced. Kind of curious since I happened on some of this style for my .338 WM.

Jim

Jim, the old machined ones with the groove were produced until 1970 or 1971. I used 62 gr of the old H4831 with them a lot.

Ted

I think Nosler changed manufacturing methods around mid-later '70's.

MM

THAT is interesting, newer RL22?

If that is so, I may have to try some; RL22 used to be my mainstay powder in my 270, 270Wby, and 340Wbys-I got fed up with the velocity swings I would see with changing temps.

Old school loads that were accurate without showing excessive pressure.

60.0 gr. H4831 for 130.

58.0 gr. H4831 for 150

I also had an accurate load for 130 using Win 760 Powder.

Tim,

For that very reason, I went to Norma MRP in my 270's.

Hard to get, but temp stable and interchanges exactly data wise, with RL-22, plus, it's fine grained and meters well.

MM

I had to try H4350, RL22, RL19 in my 270win before I finally tried H4831SC with 130gr partitions...
Let's just say I found my powder for my 270... H4831SC!!

I have never tried MRP; it sounds like a fine powder.
Also, I did not realize that it was temp stable.;
Thanks, MM.

As you have had, I've also gotten good results from 4350 & 4831 but I did find that the new SC version 4831 to be a bit faster that the older lot of standard 4831 that I had on hand; I know others here have found it to be same/same, so maybe my old lot was pretty old.

4831 is really a good, accurate and reliable powder.

MM

Yeah.

John,

Have you tested current RL22 for temp stability? Or do you know there has been no change?

What about RL17?

Thanks.

MM

I am running some new temp tests this summe/winter.

Some RL-17 is one its way to me. Have not tried any yet, for the very good reason that I have yet to see any on the shelves.

Thanks, I've got some RL17 coming too and was targeting it for 100 grainers in a 25-06 when I get a chance to try it.

MM

Dad was a True Believer and follower of JO'C. He used 60gr of 4831 and 130gr Sierra SBT at least as far back as the early '60s. Many deer died and groups were always small. Dad switched to 130gr partitions and began getting 3 shot cloverleafs.

I use the same load to this day and the rifle still shoots cloverleafs. Year after year. After two owners and over 40 yrs I feel confident load development for that gun is done.

O

All,

I don't know how many 270 chambered rifles I've owned over the years, but it has been several. I presently have four in the safe; a custom pre-64 Model 70, a Remmy 700 Light Mountain Rifle with a composite stock, a custom job built by Don Allen using a Heym SR-20 barreled action, and my old standby David Miller Co Mauser action rifle. All four have 22" barrels. My load for three of the rifles is 59.5 grains of H4831 pushing any good 130 grain bullet. My David Miller rifle chronographs at 3130 fps with this load. It is the fastest of the four. One rifle, the Allen custom using the Heym barreled action, shows mild pressure signs with this load, and for it, I've cut back to 58.0 grains.

I've found in all my 270s over the years, that if they wouldn't shoot H4831 well, they wouldn't shoot anything. I don't shoot anything but 130 grain bullets in my 270s, and if I feel the need for more bullet weight than that, I reach for a bigger cartridge. It just seems to me that the 270 and 130 grain bullets just go together like biscuits go with milk gravy, ham goes with eggs, and scotch goes with water!

Tom

I was with you until you started watering the scotch.

Maybe he meant club soda instead of water. For sure tsquare was spot on everywhere else. I especially like the part about not polluting your .270 barrel with bullet weights that aren't 130grs. If you need more than that you need a much bigger gun.

O

I'll second that motion.

Of course, that is the classic combo. But, that's like saying if you are using a .300 Win. Mag. and need something bigger than 165 grains, then you should set it aside for something "bigger."

Now, if'n pouring, I'll take one of those scotches.

Scott

RSY:

I even skip the 300 altogether. If the 270 with 130s, or 280 with 140s, or 30-06 with 165s aren't big enough, I jump to the 338. I went for a lot of years without a single 300 mag in my safe. I do have one there now, but haven't used it on anything but paper as yet. I also went several years without even at 30-06, but have used one a bit during the past three or four years. Frankly, I can't tell the difference in an animal hit with the 270, the 280 or the 30-06. They all seem to die at the same rate!

I know guys, I have a couple Brit friends that accuse me of blasphemy for even putting ice in my scotch, let alone ice and water. I tried soda for awhile but it reminded me too much of Alka Seltzer! Now, belly up to the bar!

Tom

Now it's ice too? I hope you aren't defiling anything better than Usher's or Passport.

Maybe we need to start a "Favorite Cheap Scotch" thread (come on, we all have one).

I'll hitch my cart to "Old Smuggler."

As for ice, it's kosher as long as it's the kind bought in a bag with absolutely no air in the cubes. A weird personal rule I have.

Scott

There is never a need to water down good whiskey. Be it 12 year old single malt Scotch or 10 year old Straight Bourbon.


The Ol� Man said as he took a sip, �Son, if you�ve water down my good whiskey again I�m going to knock a knot of your hard head!�

Misty!

Mathman: Since so many references have been made to Jack O'Connor here on this thread, I'll have you know that Cactus Jack drank Passport scotch, which you now besmirch! Seriously, Passport was old Jack's drink of choice.

Me, I drink Scoresby. I like it so much, I even named one of my labs Ebony's Duke of Scoresby, Duke for short. For the uninformed, Scoresby is nothing but J&B that is shipped to this country in the barrel and bottled here. J&B is bottled in Scotland. That and about 50% more money is the only difference I can tell.

My kids insist on giving me some single malt that costs a fortune and I can't even pronounce for birthdays and father's day, etc. I think they do it because they know that I won't drink it and it's available to them when them come for a visit. I won't drink anything that I can't pronounce, a cardinal rule in the Turpin house. In fact, I think I'll go have a Scoresby right now!

Tom

Mathman and Tsquare you have my permission to water down Passport, Scoresby, Desman & Duff, Usher�s, J&B, and Chaves Regal they are all blended.
Stay with the single malts.


The Ol� Man said as he took a sip, �Son, if you�ve water down my good whiskey again I�m going to knock a knot of your hard head!�

There is a theory among some Scotsmen that just a touch of water allows the flavors to be released a trifle.

Of course, perhaps they are simply Scotsmen and want to make their whisky go a trifle further. It would be more chemically effective, however, to add just touch of vodka, which is just water and alcohol.

Tsquare, thanks for the info on the Scoresby. I am more of an Irish whisky drinker these days, but still take a wee dram now and then.

That is true among the Scotts and among Southern Bourbon drinkers, but don't drown it. All it takes is a drop of branch water.


The Ol� Man said as he took a sip, �Son, if you�ve water down my good whiskey again I�m going to knock a knot of your hard head!�

True, as you say the amount being just a touch. Also the water should be still and never chilled. Not all malts benefit however.

Another poster maligned blends in general which is unjust. A well composed blended whisky can be very fine indeed, Johnnie Walker Black being a readily available example.

No one has mentioned IMR4831. My 1954 M70 always shot into an inch with 57grs and Sierra 130gr BTs.

IIRC Ed Matunas and some manuals listed IMR4831 as the accuracy powder for the .270 WCF.

Ed Matunas' recommeded loads always were remarkedly accurate. Almost like he worked up the loads specifically for my rifles.

I agree that Mr. Matunas provided excellent loads in his manuals. Is he still around? I also agree that a few drops ONLY of pure water can be nice in Scotch whiskey but recently bought a bottle of "cask strength" of the Macallan: this potent elixer requires a bit more water than I would have previously thought. My own 270 load so far is 60 grains of H4831 and 130 grains of Ballistic tip.

I gather that if a man wants to make up some loads for his .270, he needs to load a 130 grain bullet over H4831 @59-60 grains or I4350 @ 54-55 grains.

That is pretty straightforward....

I put mine together with 59.5 grains of H4831SC and a Hornady 130 grain Interlock.

59 grains of H4831 has been my fav. load for 35 years now.....still going strong.

My pre-64 Model 70 loves IMR 4831. My Rem mtn rifle loves H4831. I can live with that.

I'm confused

You guys are putting 4831 in your Scotch ???

Not much worse than ice.

NOOOOO!!! NO 4831 and NO ice. Maybe just a drop of water to bring out the flavor.

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The Ol� Man said, �Son, when you think you�re close enough to make the shot get closer.�

The funny thing is I like Dalwhinnie (a relatively delicate whisky) with a small spot of water, but I like cask strength Laphroaig as it comes from the bottle.

That is about the size of it but SC will work too.

Oh, a word of caution don't get the power amounts backwards on these powders. ANd don't ask me why I give this warning.
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The Ol� Man said, �Son, when you think you�re close enough to make the shot get closer.�

Guys, guys,

My el cheapo Scorsby doesn't need any stimulants to bring out the flavor. I must admit though, a couple drams of H4831 might add a little "kick" to it.

TT

Come on man, that Zippo fluid ain't even on the same planet as the good stuff we're talking about.

Don't get confused with Jack O'Connors load of 62 grs. of 4831..He didn't use the same IMR or H 4831 of today..He used WW2 army surplus 4831. He got an extra 100 FPS or so over todays 4831s with less pressure...

I still use that powder and Jacks load in my .270 pre 64 Fwt. I bought a stainless steel 150 lb. canister packed in a wood crate, of the stuff from an old gunsmith some 30 years ago and I still have the canister and about 40 lbs. of powder..Great stuff and I only use it for my .270....I get 3251 FPS with the 130 gr. bullets and can reload those cases about 12 to 14 times..Too bad they have never been able to duplicate it..sometimes you can find a little of it for sale today and it will sometimes be listed as 4350 DATA powder according to something I read in some gun magazine..Mine states 4831..

i wondered how long it would take someone to reply H4831 in the .270...goes together like vanilla ice cream and apple pie!

Actually, I wasn't trying to suggest the .300 WM, specifically. What I was trying to convey was my logic (which could be totally off the mark, admittedly) on "appropriate" weights in a given cartridge.

I tend to look at the relationship between sectional density and velocity. Based on that, the 130-gr. in the .270 WCF is basically akin to the 165-gr. in .300 Win.Mag. My point was that you won't hear anyone saying that 180-, 200-, and 220-grainers aren't useful in the Win.Mag., as was suggested above about bullets heavier than 130-gr. in the .270 WCF.

Scott

RSY,

I did not mean to imply that bullet weights other than the 130 grain in the 270 weren't useful for some people. What I said was if I feel the need for more bullet weight than the 130 grain in my 270, I reach for a larger caliber, rather than a heavier bullet in the same caliber. I'm sure some folks find the heavier weight bullets in the 270 very useful, particularly if they don't have other rifles to use instead. Thankfully, I don't have that restriction.

TT

I hear what you're saying now. Understood.

Now, where'd my bottle of Old Smuggler go???

Scott

H4831 is good, never liked the IMR version. However most of my 270 rifles have used the 150 grain Hornady's, Speers and Noslers. Only because they were used on deer and elk. Funny those 150 grain bullets seemed to kill the smaller critters pretty quick also. My load is 57.5 grains of H4831.

I agree, the 150 gr. bullet is the best all around bullet in the 270. It works on about anything the 180 gr. 30-06 works on and thats a bunch of critters folks! The 130 is a crackerjack deer and antelope bullet and it will work on elk with broadside shots, which I never get, guess I'm too quick on the trigger to be on Television hunt show, all I do is yell "shoot you dumb 5#&^#@" as they watch a 400 plus elk wonder off through the quakes...:)

The load of H4831 and the 130 Partition is the load he liked most. I agree he was likely using a slower batch particularly if you look at the pressures that he said the lab got on his loads.

57-59gr of H4831 for my 270's with 150 grainers. I have preferred the 150 grain bullets for a long time now.

My 270's never cared for Dupont 4831 either.......


Casey

As your post stated old school loads may I suggest the 130 Remington Pointed Soft Point Core-Loct.

Definately old school and a dandy deer bullet ta boot.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=550411&t=11082005

One of several 270s in my safe.

I don't mind Corelokt's at all. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't mind trading for a case of them with the same lot number on them. It would cut way back on my time spent at the loading bench though.

Midway sells them by the 1k. Possibly all of the same lot# ??

Give 'em a call.

The really old school factory 150 grain loads were a sort of hybrid mix of good and bad features. Deveolped as a dual purpose, easter whitetail, and heavier western game, the factory loads were slower than we load them now, but they worked pretty well for what we used 180 and 200 grain stuff for in the '06. Now, with the 150 grain Partition or equal, and a handful of 4831, 4350 or 7828 till the thing starts to group tightly, it's a load worth trying for elk and the like, even with non-broadside hits. It's still mo batch for the 300, 338, 358 and such for heavier game on straight away, close stuff shooting for heavier critters.

Wayne

Wayne, second that on the Partitons. Tried some 160s in my 1955 model ftw. and they rapidy became my goto load for me.

I've been shooting it for over fifty years and was surprised by their accuracy.

I use 62 grains of H 4831 in front of 130 gr sst ' s. It shoots well.

old thread popped up...wonder if anyone has tried the new Reloader 23 under 130's?

I made up a woods load for my 270's using the Remington 150 gr round nose core lokt or Hornady and Hodgdon H-380 powder. Velocity was 2642 from a 22 inch barrel which closely duplicates the 300 Savage. Accuracy was a hair over an inch for 5 shots.

This load started my fondness for round nose bullets when a speedy extended range was load was not needed.

Doc

Or the r 16?Alliant says it is temperature stabilized.Data shows 130's3200 fps.

I use the same load today that I've used for the past 30 years.....60 grains of H4831 and the Sierra 130 grain GameKing BT bullet. It will flat kill a deer.

I used 54.5 grains of IMR 4350 for years in a pre-war Model 70 with 130 grain bullets with great satisfaction. Not a max load, it chronographed about 2970 and shot bug hole groups...

61 grains of H4831sc with a 130 grain Interlock gets me
3105fps out of a 23 inch-barreled BSA Imperial Featherweight, and groups just over an inch. It's a business-like load for a .270 and I don't mess around with it.
The rifle was made in 1958 and it's like a British version of a Winchester pre'64 - only much lighter; a true featherweight and ahead of its time.

Guys I'm not going read all this thread FROM 2008 so I don't know if this load has been mentioned or not.

270 Win - 49 grs. IMR 4064, vel = +/- 2900 fps.

Less powder, less kick, very accurate for new shooters, wimmin, & rugrats.

Jerry

Old school powder charge but with new school bullet. I worked this load up for my daughter's 700 ADL. I haven't tried a TTSX still have about 100 of the TSX left. 130 BT's with 58.0 IMR 4831 shoot as good too.

Love this old school thread. I picked up an old waxed cardboard box of Western Open Point Expanding 130 grain bullets a couple years ago. The plan is to take a deer with one of them. Old Jack wrote favorably of them they are kinda sketchy looking affairs. I have no doubt they will do the job though. Just need to get this new 270 dialed in with them.