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Mathman and Tsquare you have my permission to water down Passport, Scoresby, Desman & Duff, Usher�s, J&B, and Chaves Regal they are all blended.
Stay with the single malts.


The Ol� Man said as he took a sip, �Son, if you�ve water down my good whiskey again I�m going to knock a knot of your hard head!�

There is a theory among some Scotsmen that just a touch of water allows the flavors to be released a trifle.

Of course, perhaps they are simply Scotsmen and want to make their whisky go a trifle further. It would be more chemically effective, however, to add just touch of vodka, which is just water and alcohol.

Tsquare, thanks for the info on the Scoresby. I am more of an Irish whisky drinker these days, but still take a wee dram now and then.

That is true among the Scotts and among Southern Bourbon drinkers, but don't drown it. All it takes is a drop of branch water.


The Ol� Man said as he took a sip, �Son, if you�ve water down my good whiskey again I�m going to knock a knot of your hard head!�

True, as you say the amount being just a touch. Also the water should be still and never chilled. Not all malts benefit however.

Another poster maligned blends in general which is unjust. A well composed blended whisky can be very fine indeed, Johnnie Walker Black being a readily available example.

No one has mentioned IMR4831. My 1954 M70 always shot into an inch with 57grs and Sierra 130gr BTs.

IIRC Ed Matunas and some manuals listed IMR4831 as the accuracy powder for the .270 WCF.

Ed Matunas' recommeded loads always were remarkedly accurate. Almost like he worked up the loads specifically for my rifles.

I agree that Mr. Matunas provided excellent loads in his manuals. Is he still around? I also agree that a few drops ONLY of pure water can be nice in Scotch whiskey but recently bought a bottle of "cask strength" of the Macallan: this potent elixer requires a bit more water than I would have previously thought. My own 270 load so far is 60 grains of H4831 and 130 grains of Ballistic tip.

I gather that if a man wants to make up some loads for his .270, he needs to load a 130 grain bullet over H4831 @59-60 grains or I4350 @ 54-55 grains.

That is pretty straightforward....

I put mine together with 59.5 grains of H4831SC and a Hornady 130 grain Interlock.

59 grains of H4831 has been my fav. load for 35 years now.....still going strong.

My pre-64 Model 70 loves IMR 4831. My Rem mtn rifle loves H4831. I can live with that.

I'm confused

You guys are putting 4831 in your Scotch ???

Not much worse than ice.

NOOOOO!!! NO 4831 and NO ice. Maybe just a drop of water to bring out the flavor.

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The Ol� Man said, �Son, when you think you�re close enough to make the shot get closer.�

The funny thing is I like Dalwhinnie (a relatively delicate whisky) with a small spot of water, but I like cask strength Laphroaig as it comes from the bottle.

That is about the size of it but SC will work too.

Oh, a word of caution don't get the power amounts backwards on these powders. ANd don't ask me why I give this warning.
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The Ol� Man said, �Son, when you think you�re close enough to make the shot get closer.�

Guys, guys,

My el cheapo Scorsby doesn't need any stimulants to bring out the flavor. I must admit though, a couple drams of H4831 might add a little "kick" to it.

TT

Come on man, that Zippo fluid ain't even on the same planet as the good stuff we're talking about.

Don't get confused with Jack O'Connors load of 62 grs. of 4831..He didn't use the same IMR or H 4831 of today..He used WW2 army surplus 4831. He got an extra 100 FPS or so over todays 4831s with less pressure...

I still use that powder and Jacks load in my .270 pre 64 Fwt. I bought a stainless steel 150 lb. canister packed in a wood crate, of the stuff from an old gunsmith some 30 years ago and I still have the canister and about 40 lbs. of powder..Great stuff and I only use it for my .270....I get 3251 FPS with the 130 gr. bullets and can reload those cases about 12 to 14 times..Too bad they have never been able to duplicate it..sometimes you can find a little of it for sale today and it will sometimes be listed as 4350 DATA powder according to something I read in some gun magazine..Mine states 4831..

i wondered how long it would take someone to reply H4831 in the .270...goes together like vanilla ice cream and apple pie!

Actually, I wasn't trying to suggest the .300 WM, specifically. What I was trying to convey was my logic (which could be totally off the mark, admittedly) on "appropriate" weights in a given cartridge.

I tend to look at the relationship between sectional density and velocity. Based on that, the 130-gr. in the .270 WCF is basically akin to the 165-gr. in .300 Win.Mag. My point was that you won't hear anyone saying that 180-, 200-, and 220-grainers aren't useful in the Win.Mag., as was suggested above about bullets heavier than 130-gr. in the .270 WCF.

Scott

RSY,

I did not mean to imply that bullet weights other than the 130 grain in the 270 weren't useful for some people. What I said was if I feel the need for more bullet weight than the 130 grain in my 270, I reach for a larger caliber, rather than a heavier bullet in the same caliber. I'm sure some folks find the heavier weight bullets in the 270 very useful, particularly if they don't have other rifles to use instead. Thankfully, I don't have that restriction.

TT