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I tend to agree with you--but I also talk to an awful lot of shooters in order to understand other people's problems. A lot of older shooters (50+) tend to like Euro-focus because their own eyes don't change focus as readily as when younger, so they can do with with the scope easily if the view needs tweaking.
This may or may not be the reason more scope makes are featuring the Euro-focus. The "baby boom" generation is still the biggest buying market in Ameria, and even the youngest ones are now nearly 50.
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No they won't. The FFII is awesome in low light compared to much higher priced scopes. My VXII 2-7x32 can't even come close to keeping up with my buddy's FFII 3-9x40. Yeah, they will. I saw firsthand what the FFII's are all about last year in northern Alberta (Nampa/Peace River). That was easily one of the worst scopes I've ever owned, and I couldn't even make out a cutblock 150 yards from my position about an hour before sundown. I've never had that problem with any Leupold I've owned. My 2-7X 33 VX-II is heads and shoulders above those things, and it isn't even the best scope in my collection. That's interesting. I LIVE in Alberta, so it's the same lighting that we're comparing here. I am still able to pick out a milk jug at 655 yards 45 minutes AFTER sunset with the FFII set on 9x. Maybe I just have better eyes than you do. My experience has been totally congruent with Mule Deer's report above.
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The view and adjustments never bothered me with the Burris. I hate that eyepiece/power ring design though, and don't like the euro-focus on the back.
Their customer service sucks, and you need a pipewrench to adjust the power in cold weather.
hmmm. I've never had trouble with the power adjustment, and I use mine in some pretty cold weather.
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No they won't. The FFII is awesome in low light compared to much higher priced scopes. My VXII 2-7x32 can't even come close to keeping up with my buddy's FFII 3-9x40. Yeah, they will. I saw firsthand what the FFII's are all about last year in northern Alberta (Nampa/Peace River). That was easily one of the worst scopes I've ever owned, and I couldn't even make out a cutblock 150 yards from my position about an hour before sundown. I've never had that problem with any Leupold I've owned. My 2-7X 33 VX-II is heads and shoulders above those things, and it isn't even the best scope in my collection. That's interesting. I LIVE in Alberta, so it's the same lighting that we're comparing here. I am still able to pick out a milk jug at 655 yards 45 minutes AFTER sunset with the FFII set on 9x. Maybe I just have better eyes than you do. My experience has been totally congruent with Mule Deer's report above. Jordan, Without calling you a liar, I had every hunting iron I owned with me last winter when I was moving to the lower 48 from Alaska. My four primary hunting optics while I was on my trip were: Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10X44 Leupold VX-III 2.5-8X36 Leupold VX-II 2-7X33 Burris FFII 3-9X40 As I said before, the one day I had the Burris in the field I could hardly make out deer in front of the wooded cutblock which was roughly 150 yards from were I was positioned about an hour before sunset. In the instances of using the others, I was able to make out antler points well after dark. Obviously, the Zeiss and VX-III were heads and shoulders above the rest, but the Burris was pretty well given away after I got to the lower 48. I wasn't going to allow that scope to leave me hanging again.
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I don't doubt your experience. Maybe you got a lemon? I've heard a lot of different people rant about how bright the FFII's are for the price. Based on my experience, I agree with them.
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I just bought a FFII and have not "shot" it yet. It's on a 30.06. I will not get to take it out until Monday morning. So far it seems very clear campared to my Leupolds, even in low light conditions. At age 66 I'm liking this euro focus thing. This the reason I bought it. It has the ballistic plex reticle and I think I'll like that too.
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I recently purchased a used Burris Fullfield II riflescope. Once I received it, I liked it so much that I sold my Leupold and bought another Burris Fullfield II. Now I have these Burris scopes on my 2 main rifles. They were really impressing to make me sale my Leupold for one. I still didn't appreciate their quality and performance untill this week. Monday Opened our Rifle buck season. I have been amazed with this scope in the outdoors. Clarity is unrivaled. Detail can be made out at longer distances than most scopes I have had could see. I have never in my life owned or looked through a scope any better! These are honestly the very best scopes and optics for that matter that I have ever used. I have had Leupolds, Kahles, Nikons and all the more common affordable scopes and this Burris blows them all away. I look forward to going hunting just to look through the Burris scope. As I feel today, I will try to put a Burris on any other firearms I acquire. Thanks Burris. Now I hope their warranty is as good as Leupolds if it is ever needed. Thanks guys. Just wanted to share that for someone who is looking right now.
Bearbuck If you think the FFII is good, you should try the Signature series. I've owned a couple Signatures, and regret getting rid of them. I sold one in order to 'upgrade' to a VXIII, and was sorry that I did it. I sold the other one as I bought it new, but decided that I wanted a higher power and that I actually don't care for the Ballistic Plex reticle. I'm not a fan of any of those types of reticles though. I still have an FFII on my muzzleloader, and I'm keeping an eye out for another for another rifle.
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I guess this is why some people drive Fords and others Chevy's. I don't have a Burris scope so I can't really comment on their quality. I have Pentax and Sightron and 1 Alpen scope. Work for me (So far..lol) If you have a Pentax, then you have an idea as they are made by Burris.
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In fact, except for cosmetic differences, Pentax scopes are Burrises. The Lightseeker line is the same as the Signatures, and at least at the beginning the FFII's were the same as the Whitetails Unlimited Pentax scopes. Dunno what the Pentax is called today.
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I don't know about VXIII's but when I compare my VXII's to either my FFII's or my Nikon Buckmasters, the Leupy comes in last. Last in clarity and the fine focus departments. On the other hand the Leupy's have the best," eye box", by far.
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Last week I did a heads up comparison between a Burris FFII,a Bushnell 3200, and a Leupold VX I.
The Burris was easily the best for clarity with the VX I and 3200 about even.
The VX I had just a hair better eye relief/eye box than the FFII with the 3200 last.
The FFII's I have used in the field have always performed very well and the zeroes have never bobbled.
I think they are a lot of scope for the money.
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I don't doubt your experience. Maybe you got a lemon? I've heard a lot of different people rant about how bright the FFII's are for the price. Based on my experience, I agree with them. I will say this for Alberta, though. Hunting there changed alot of things for me: I will NEVER look at the puny deer we have in the south quite the same. I will NEVER be able to get used to the idea of hunting deer when it is 50 degrees outside, let alone when it is 75-80 like it was here the first week of this month. I will ALWAYS love hunting when the mercury is at least below freezing and snow is falling steadily. All that is exactly why I am planning another hunt up there. Lord willing, I shall make it back. That is one BEAUTIFUL province, north to south and east to west.
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Well, if you do make it back to Alberta, and need somebody to share a campfire with, let me know 
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FYI, the current Pentax "Pioneer" line is the Burris FFII.
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Just back from "shooting" my new FFII. As I said in my previous post, it's on a 30.06 of known accuracy. I can see no difference in accuracy. I got several sub one inch 3 shot groups and the only 5 group tried was .7". It seemed as clear as the leupold 3x9 VXII I had with me. At this point only time will tell if it's rugged enough to be a keeper. So far, I'm liking this scope.
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When predator hunting, I am constantly changing my power, depending on the cover.
That being said, I still see no advantage to a euro focus. Once the reticle is focused, why is there a need to mess with it? I like that you lock it down with Loopy, Sightron, and Weaver, and forget about it. Unless you're using Leupy's VX 7, then you'll be "messing" with the euro style focus anyway. The FF II"s that I have are very good, comparing very favorably in low light, clarity, etc with the VX II. Euro focus has never been an issue with me.
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Baerbuck, you've hit on a scope that to me is incredibly good. I just love the Burris FF2 in the 3-9 with the BP in it. I have hunted them incredibly hard and worked them over really good. 4 me and for my eyes I just don't feel that they can be beat. They're tough, the clicks are repeatable (which isn't I can say for a good share of the Leupolds especially the ones with turrets on them), they are incredibly clear and super in low light conditions. And, their eye relief is very forgiving. My test for this is to give the rifle to my wife and have her work with it. She shoots very good and is very careful about her shots. She doesn't like to have to move her head around much at all to "find her spot". And I've noticed over the years that the 3-9 Burris is one scope where she can pretty much always find her spot quickly. Bottom line, I feel it's a heck of a scope and just can't figure why they sell them for so little. Oh and the BP system is so stupid simple even a caveman like me can figure it out!  Dober
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The biggest bummer on the Burris is that eyepiece power adjust. You cannot put a flip-up scope cover on them, or it will get in the way of the bolt.
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I was wondering when Dober would find this thread!
Personally I am not fond of the flip-up scope covers, preferring the Uncle Mike's type (including the old standby innertube) that can be flipped away entirely with one finger. But that's just me.
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I bought a Burris with the ballistic plex reticle because it came with a free GPS; I had a buddy who kept getting lost.
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