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Don't want or need the hooker thank you, and have managed to overcome lots of hurdles, all on my own. Been all over the US and have seen it's wonders and joys, and don't doubt that they exist. I wouldn't mind having a beer with you, to discuss all of this either.
I suppose what pi$$es me off more than anything is seeing this nation become another Euro trash socialist state, and have the majority of the populace either not realize what's happening or rejoice in it's destruction. Sorry if I can't get too overjoyed about all of that. The further our economy descends, the easier it will be for the statists to gain permanent control, much as they did after the New Deal. Unfortunately, I think it will collapse along the way, long before it gets better. I hope I'm wrong, but so far I have not been.
If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks..., will deprive the People of all their Property,...Thomas Jefferson
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It's scary for the lawyer, as well, Denny.
Adapt and improvise. The citizens of this country have done so for a few hundred years, near about!
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come on Bob, proof has been offered again and again, that indicates with fair accuracy, you cannot have a meaningful conversation with that group about anything political.
Nothing wrong with stating your opinion, but don't expect anything in return beyond a regurgitation of tired old lefty rhetoric. What planet are you from, pal??? You obviously have such a twisted mind that you think left is right, and up is down. A leftist is someone who seeks to increase the power of central government, and divest citizens of local control of the laws under which they live. That sounds like the Bush brand "Republican" to me, i.e., you, Isaac, and your ilk. We conservatives, on the other hand, represent the right, i.e., smaller central government and decentralization of power, returning government to the people at the local level, while restoring the Constitutional limits on the central government. That's right wing. It's really not that complicated. Try to learn your left from your right before you make a fool of yourself on a public forum. oh you are in that group too? Did not mean to pull your chain Hawkeye.  I guess its ok for me to act silly once in awhile Hawk. You though, do it on a daily, and per post basis.
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Scary for the blue collar worker.
Scary for everyone Denny. I took a voluntary 10% pay cut this last October. That being said, I also had other job offers but they would require moving or doing work that didn't interest me as much as I do now (agile development). We make the best of it friend. I live in a place I despise but the work in interesting and makes a difference I have more and more friends that are local like you and Bob and Steve that share interests. Yes, I would rather live in lots of others places but we make do.
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oh you are in that group too? Did not mean to pull your chain Hawkeye. Isaac's childish attempts at insults, as per usual, were directed at the right wing of the Fire. Leftist Republicans like to pretend that right is left and left is right. I guess they sense the shame that naturally adheres to their own leftism, and thus wish to confuse the issue. It's not hard to distinguish. Just ask yourself, "If we followed their policies, would the central government's power over the individual lives of Americans be weakened or strengthened?" If strengthened, then the that person is a leftist. If weakened, then that person is a rightist.
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However the credit crunch has affected the company I work for to a point that although production is down a mere 3% net revenue is down 30% due to the SNAFU on wall street. Scary for the blue collar worker.
I was wondering how you were doing.. I heard that the York plant was cutting some production.. Well, I've tried to do my part.. The new Ultra Classic will be mine in another 60 days.. 
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What would you have me do? Point out the increase in our debt since 1987? Point out the devaluation of the currency by the Fed since 1913? Recite the incursions our Federal Government has made into the private sector over the last decade-he!! over the last year?! I like this chart showing the money supply over time: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2009/01/012609pod3.jpg) You can see the beginning of the problem back in 1971 when Nixon pulled the dollar completely free from gold. You can see the little blip from Y2K, which seemed so huge at the time. You can see the blip from 9/11, which looked even bigger at the time. Then there's what they've done recently, in which the State has created out of thin air in just the past couple of months as much money as it's created since the birth of the Fed in 1913. In view of stuff like this, the old "We'll be okay because we've always been okay" saw isn't so convincing anymore. There's no precedent for this. I heard Glen Beck talking about this chart the other day. Did you pull it from his site? It's a run away frieght train with no Gold to back it up!
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Isaac's childish attempts at insults, as per usual, were directed at the right wing of the Fire.
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You're not right wing, sport, you're right field.
You know, the place they put the players just before they put them out to pasture!
You have to admit societal adaptation ain't one of your strong points.
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So by "societal adaptation" you're inferring that the Constitution is a "living" document and that it, and we, should evolve to fit whatever mold the central government has chosen, regardless of whether it adheres to prior history and precedent?
And those of us who believe that the original intent is what counts should be put out to pasture?
How does that make us "left wing"?
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How does that make us "left wing"?
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Who said that, Mike? Part of your guy's problem with that adaptation thing I was mentioning.
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come on Bob, proof has been offered again and again, that indicates with fair accuracy, you cannot have a meaningful conversation with that group about anything political.
Nothing wrong with stating your opinion, but don't expect anything in return beyond a regurgitation of tired old lefty rhetoric. Well Bob, the lefty quote came from another poster, so I can't tag you with it, but you didn't answer the questions I posed from Haweye's post.
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Redneck, thanks for the concern. 340 out the door soon. Hourly as well as salaried.2592 people currrently on the books at York but will see 1000 on the bricks by the end of the year across the board(corporate) including Milwaukie
if the trend continues.
The financial situation is really the issue as HD financial services (HDFS) takes care of over 50% of unit sales and with the banking industry in turmoil it has affected everyone from the corner office to the guys on the floor.
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Unemployment hit 8% in Mississippi but don't worry the economy is sound.
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Unemployment hit 8% in Mississippi but don't worry the economy is sound. Oh, that's a relief.
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What's unemployment in Europe, China or Japan?
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Right wing? I consider myself a "right winger" yet I took no umbrage at Issac's obvious tongue-in-cheek quip. jorge
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I consider myself a "right winger" Fortunately, however, the meanings of words are unaffected by what you may or may not consider them to mean.
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I would think you meant the meaning of words are "affected" by what one considers them to be.
Think it through hawkish. I'll turn you into a lawyer,yet!
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Oh please. Hawk, English might be my second language to be sure, but I take it you consider me a "left winger" just because I'm not an isolationist? Oh, and I'll put up my pedagogic bona-fides against yours any day. jorge
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I would think you meant the meaning of words are "affected" by what one considers them to be.
Think it through hawkish. I'll turn you into a lawyer,yet! I always says what I means and means what I says, ug-ug-ug-ug. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hollywoodstandups.com/images/popeye.jpg)
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