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Anyone here have one? After reading Seyfried's piece on them I got a hankering for either a double or a break action single. I've looked at a few doubles on line...$$$$$! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> If I can't find one I can afford or just have to have, would it be possible to turn a Ruger #1 into a 12 bore rifle??
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I don't have one handy to measure, but I doubt the threads are wide enough to screw in a 12 gauge barrel.
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That's what I was afraid of. I guess I could just go the easy route and order a Cabela's .72 cal BP double. Should be about the same. However, the Greener double that Seyfried wrote on was a beaut!!!
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A little different take on this, that you just might be interested in. If you are looking for 12-bore rifle performance, like the old Paradox guns, James Gates has started producing the Dixie Terminator Slug and Dixie Predator slugs, that duplicate the Paradox loads. The Terminator is designed for rifled slug barrels, the Predator designed for smooth bore barrels. Here's a link that explains his concept and history of development of the Dixie Slugs better than I can. http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=11225James has developed a website, but I can't find the correct link for it right now. BTW, James worked for Winchester-Western in their Ammunition R&D for a long time, and has written several articles in gun mags. Most notably is one that was added to Wildcat Cartridges II from Wolfe Publishing on the 25 Krag Improved.
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Pointer--yeah, Greeners are very neat. I have a little 16 gauge Greener for 2 1/2 shells made in 1896 that has become my favorite woodcock and quail gun. There is so much interest now in these ten and twelve gauge rifles, the prices are up quite a bit in the last few years.
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DPhilips- Thanks for the info! The level of performance isn't what I neccessarily after, but the gun. I have a semi-auto cantilever scoped Mossberg that is quite deadly with Remington Copper Solids. So, I'm wanting to try some 'retro-technology'. Thanks for the info though, I'm going to see if my gun likes those.
Steve- Heck, if I can't find a 12 I could easily 'settle' for a 20ga. The only thing keeping me away now is $$. I'm young so I'm long on time and short on $$. Someday...
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Pointer--
I've looked at the Cabela's Kodiak Express by Pedersoli in .72 cal. It carries some of the class of a fine double shotgun. But if you are serious about it contact Cabela's cust service about spec's concerning this rifle. Seems that recommended loads for this rifle are on the mild side which isn't bad if that's what you want and know it. But at risk of being wrong here, I don't think this design is proof tested for heavy loads. But I must admit I usually go against the trend towards high tech am intrigued by the classy looks of this rifle. Besides, I'd like to throw a .715 cal ball at a whitetail.
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NEF makes single-shot 12 and 20 ga. shotguns with fully rifled barrels. Tough and accurate, for $200-$300.
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Here are some Bore cartridges. 4 Bore, 8 Bore, 10 Bore, 12 Bore and 20 Bore. The 12 and the 20 are Pardoxes ![[Linked Image]](http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p7c0456ce04393fef59c48297d0abe106/fd0cbf0b.jpg)
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I have become interested in the 12 bore idea and also of the NEF barrels (since I already have an handi-rifle). It seems that Ross Seyfried's chief complaint about modern rifled shotguns is twofold: shallow rifling and fast twist. He once speculated that the thin cross section of shotgun barrels may play a part: not being ridged enough to hold bite on slugs. It is with this one thougth that I plan to experiment with an Ultra Slug barrel that I will be ordering soon. I will then see what can be done with tight paper-patched slugs. I keep hoping someone else has tried this to let me know if I have missed something, but we shall see.
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If you're truly interested in double rifles try www.nitroexpress.com it's a forum where this subject is discussed. Also the kodiak has been rebarreled by some to accept more contemopary cartridges as well as longer like 45/90. You're other option is to build something like a .577NE 23/4 on a twelve guage shotgun action. There is a book about doing this called "Building Double rifles on Shotgun Actions" by Brown. If you want something larger there are a couple of us that have been inspired by an article over on www.African-Hunter.com about a gentlemen that built a 4bore double. We have found a way to make brass and barrels now just trying to deveolp the parameters for a single or double breakaction. By the way a 4Bore is .983 in diameter a 2000gr slug at about 1400fps.
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Thanks for the info!!! Let the dreams begin...:D
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what if a guy could screw in a rifled choke tube say in an old double...might be kind of a pretend paradox gun...would that work?
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A buddy of mine has a Parker double of some description that was turned into a double 45-70. Alas, I didn't manage to sneak it out of his gun room.
I have to admit that I'd love to have a double 12b rifle. A nice 8 or even 4b single would be nice as well. Not that I have a lot of need of one, but who cares about trivialities like that?
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Nicest single barreled "bore-gun" I've seen utilzed a 12g barrel, Martini-Henry action, express sights and exhibition grade wood. Lovely! Shot into your palm at 100m using Lee cast slugs. Cheers... Con
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I'm planning on building up a 12 bore muzzleloader based on an H&R 10 Ga. frame. I've had the frame waiting to be added on to for some time now, but life keeps getting in the way! I spoke to Riley Smith at Longhammock Barrel Co. in Florida about making a 12 bore blank with a ball shooting appropriate twist (1 in 120"), but it's been a while. The tel no. I have is 352-748-7373.
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On a slightly different tact I've pondered using an NEF 12 with a smooth bore, and brass cases loaded with an aluminum sabot and a 125 grain dart of about .20 caliber. My three sample of brass shells(2-3/4") hold 285 grains of WW748 to the case mouth. Probably a bit too much I'd think. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Fella named Ed...guy that developed "Ed's Red", can't remember his last name at the moment...anyway, he thought I needed a Hotchkiss receiver but wouldn't sell me his. Darn the luck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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I saw those double bp your talikg about at cabelas. man are they heavy must way 15 pounds.. That's what I was afraid of. I guess I could just go the easy route and order a Cabela's .72 cal BP double. Should be about the same. However, the Greener double that Seyfried wrote on was a beaut!!!
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Post an inquiry in the muzzleloading section. Can't recall the name right now, but there's a company (was it October Country? Something like that?) that makes outsized black powder rifles and rifle barrels. I think he's built a 4-bore? Dang that CRS disease.
Anyway, they guns, from what I read, seem to have a good reputation. Kinda' pricey as I remember, but that kinda' thing ain't destined to come cheap. Not outlandish, and many guns cost more, so they're attainable at least, if you really want a good one.
I think he builds them mainly for black powder, but in those sizes, black should give you all the "oomph" you'll ever want or need. If you demand smokeless, he MAY (???) use steels that would be amenable to heat treating to smokeless specs. You'll have to ask, of course, again because of that dang CRS disease of mine.
I doubt there's a REAL shooter who's ever lived that hasn't fancied a gun like that at some time.
I'd really like to read about such a gun used in Africa on the big stuff. Would make a very intriguing article, I think.
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