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Mossberg ATR Train wreck! #2620070 12/05/08
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Was in the local emporium today and saw something quite unique.

Here's the bolt out of an ATR in 308 that has fired less than a box of factory ammo.

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The bolt body is not threaded into the bolt head. It is pressed in.

Worse, the bolt body is splined, but the head is smooth! eek

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The customer is upset, but the dealer here is really choked, as he has sold a few, and now is concerned about his customers having this happen in the field.

Anyone else seen this?

Ted

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Re: Mossberg ATR Train wreck! [Re: Yukoner] #2620092 12/05/08
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If that isn't a poor design I don't know what is. Actually, I'm not sure that even classifies as a design.

Sorry, I don't have any experience with the ATR and likely never will. Thanks for sharing the pics.


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Re: Mossberg ATR Train wreck! [Re: hwgtyd] #2620101 12/05/08
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My son has killed a bunch of deer with his.


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Re: Mossberg ATR Train wreck! [Re: Yukoner] #2620242 12/05/08
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Nothing that JB Weld can't fix... eek


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Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
Nothing that JB Weld can't fix... eek
Or a Hobart... laugh


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All I can say is WOW!.


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They should change that moniker from ATR to LD (Lawyers' Delight)..


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Re: Mossberg ATR Train wreck! [Re: Redneck] #2620543 12/05/08
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not surprising from a cheap manufacturer, why not spend the extra hundred and get a used remington? or better yet a savage 110


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Disgusting!
So, is this one of those bolt designs where it might be possible to close the bolt but the lugs not be engaged? The thought scares the chit out of me.


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Press fit?, no threads?, not even a pin?


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Originally Posted by FVA
Disgusting!
So, is this one of those bolt designs where it might be possible to close the bolt but the lugs not be engaged? The thought scares the chit out of me.


I was thinking same. By all means, skimp on the part most likely to get the user killed. I heard from several local folks about a guy who was seriously injured last year by a similar rifle coming apart in his face.

I recently had someone ask me about one of the new "tricky" bolt guns on the market. I told him that I didn't know anybody who had one, but that a good used 700, 70, or 77 could be found for the same price. Not to say there are no new advances to be made with rifles, but I'm leery of some of these rigs.



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Repeat after me, "It's only a Raptor, it's only a Raptor, it's only a Raptor". Why would anybody buy a Raptor, even a 3rd generation Raptor with Mossberg's superior manufacturing and QC, when Marlin is selling the excellent XL-7s for only a few $$ more?

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Friggin amazing to me as the Mossberg 494 (the re-engineered model 94) seems like a very well made rifle (with ugly wood).


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Mossberg started with a good, proven, foundation upon which to build when they copied the Winchester 94. Not so when they bought the rights to "improve" the basic Raptor design.

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I'm just glad you didn't buy it Ted...

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Heck, I want the Mossberg Raptors to fail, as I have bet a steak dinner that they wouldn't last for 10 years and they have been going longer than I would have expected.

Jeff

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Hmm. I don't think it's supposed to come apart like that

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I'm thinking if it backed out as you "closed the bolt" so the the bolt lugs didn't engage, that it wouldn't be able to fire either. I could be wrong there. It does look, for sure, like it lacks something where reliability is concerned.

At least it isn't one of those deals where you close the bolt and the handle comes off leaving an unfired live round in the chamber with no way to get it out other than to fire it. (Remington) That's slightly disconcerting when it happens too; that or not being certain whether one was in the pipe as the handle lies loose in one's hand.


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Originally Posted by 7 STW
I'm just glad you didn't buy it Ted...


I was there buying a Marlin XL7, just to give one a try, when the dealer showed me the gun. smile

Ted


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Sounds good Ted.308 Win the new one?

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