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#305100 - 06/14/04 Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)  
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At 300 Grand it might as well be 300 million! heh heh heh

But maybe I could get some friends together....

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#305101 - 06/28/04 Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)  
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7mm... thanks for the info on the 1780 murdering of those militia, a little puzzling though that the writer states the captives were taken to Kittanning, I had thought that Delaware town on the Alleghany was sacked in the French and Indian War 24 years earlier (see... www.15122.com/3rivers/History/CITIES/BlanketHill.htm ...note the reference to one "particularly fearsome" Delaware taking out FOURTEEN of the attacking force before they could kill him.) Maybe there was a new Kittanning in the Ohio Country.



I confess my main source on that region are the many books by Alan W. Eckhert, in particular "That Dark and Bloody River", his comprehensive history of the Ohio Valley Indian Wars.



There were indeed hostile Delawares throughout that era, the confusion of displaced tribes in the Ohio region at that time making the question of the specific tribal affiliation of many of the individual Indian combatants somewhat moot. Also, it is useful to remember that by the American Revolution most of those tribes had been exposed to a century or more of White contact and on a material level lived not very much different from their White frontier counterparts.



Eckhert relates that the main Miami tribe town of Kekionga in Ohio boasted plank sidewalks, two saloons and even a whorehouse. The Miami Chief Little Turtle (who later led the largest defeat ever inflicted on the United States by an Indian force; more than 600 US soldiers and militia killed in a single action) at that time lived in a frame house, complete with furniture, piano, mirrors, fine European china and silverware and a six-hole outhouse out back.



With respect to that sad Tull Hill affair, I figure that likely those marauding warriors were already getting the heck out of Dodge. After all the alarm had gone out, the element of surprise lost and likely a militia force would soon take up their trail, some of which militia would have been as good in the woods as any Indian. The way I see it, the war party came across the unfortunate family and killed them on the run, no time to take captives. If human nature held true, likely the killing was done by only some of the party, for reasons of revenge, trophy, meanness of personality or possibly all three.



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#305102 - 06/29/04 Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)  
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There were marauding bans of both races that committed atrocities in the Ohio country. Many displaced indians from a mix of tribes (including Delawares) took on the name "mingo," a new tribe that settled in the upper ohio valley. They were a peaceful group, trying desperately to coexist with the whites on their doorstep, until a fellow named John Greathouse and his band of disgruntled settlers decided that extermination was their best bet to gain land and battle the Shawnee, who were fiercely contesting the incursion into their treatied lands north of the Ohio river. Mr. Greathouse himself hung the chief's pregnant wife and left her with the chief's unborn son dangling from her disembowed body, he also scalped the fetus. Of course, the mingo chief went crazy when he returned to find his village massacred and his family in that condition. He vowed to take 10 white lives for every one that the Greathouse band took that day, and he may have done just that, joining up with the Shawnee and vigorously campaigning against the whites. Greathouse was eventually captured by the authorities, being given credit for intensifying the hostilities in a previously tranquil area, and mobilizing a previously tranquil tribe. But he was allowed to leave the frontier with his brother rather than being tried for murder. If I had been a Mingo, I believe I'd have burned a few cabins myself. Such was the way of vengence and war.


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#305103 - 06/29/04 Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)  
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I consulted Eckert, turns out those Indiian raiders being pursued by the militia that subsequently committed the Gnaddenhutten atrocity really were Wyandots and such may have also been responsible for Tull Hill.

The Wyandots were/are an Iroquoian tribe (like the Six Nations and the Cherokees, most everybody else being Algonquin speakers) likely related to the Hurons and were of particularly feasome repute at that time (see... http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/ohc/history/h_indian/tribes/wyandot.shtml , perhaps Magua in the movie "Last of the Mohicans" might better have been identified as a Wyandot).

The murdered Christian Delawares on the other hand, dressed like White people and had been forcibly relocated and confined to a new village site upon the order of neighboring tribes. Impoverished and starving, some of them had received permission to return to their old village site of Gnaddenhutten to look for unharvested crops, which is what they were doing when the Pennsyvania militia found them.

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