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Winchester Model 12. Just amazingly well made. The Ithaca 37 is a close second.

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Originally Posted by pullit
I would have to say:
1) 870 Wingmaster
2) Model 12
but they are very close.


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The one I have in my hands when I need it.


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I have one of the older Wingmasters/fixed mod.2 3/4inch chamber killed a lot of everthing with it .

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Winchester Model 12.


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Winchester '97. Love that hammer! Have owned a Mossberg 500 for 40 years and put thousands of rounds through it with no problems. It's just so ugly though!!


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granted that Ithaca 37 was a smooth shotgun and a great firearm, I would still have to say that I think the Remington 870 is the best all around, most popular pump shot gun of this day.


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"Most popular" Doesn't make it the best. Makes it a fairly well built shotgun that is fairly cheap to make.Which equals great sales.

Both the 37 and 12 are better built guns.


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In my eyes the Rem. 870 Wingmaster. Skip the Express models, they suck.


JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H

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I have a model 12, model 31 and a model 37 all 16 gauge with 28 inch modified barrels. The slickest shucking and best handling for passing shots is the model 31. The model 12 is a a little stiff to pump and is kind of muzzle light and does not keep the momentum for long crossing targets, the model 37 has good balance but is not as smooth as the model 31 but is smoother than the model 12 for pumping. I found that taking apart the model 31 is very easy, just have to remember the orientation for removing the slide to lift out the bolt. Tricky at first, but I have field striped the gun to get out seed and weed tassles when hunting. I like a side ejection port for clay target shooting. Bottom ejection Ithaca is fine for hunting, kind of inconvient for clays. My two cents.
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Originally Posted by 300Savage
I found that taking apart the model 31 is very easy, just have to remember the orientation for removing the slide to lift out the bolt. Tricky at first, but I have field striped the gun to get out seed and weed tassles when hunting.


You probably have to disassemble a Model 31 to get a complete appreciation for the brilliance of the design. It's absolutely elegant in its simplicity. Once the big pin is just a bit broken in you can empty the receiver (minus the ejector) in seconds with no tools.

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