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When figuring that gunsmiths like Bryant Custom, David Tubb, Karl Feldcamp, American Precision Arms, and a host of other top flight 'smiths can and will do the Sako extractor conversion perhaps speaks to the utter BS of the conversion being dangerous. Figuring that those guys have forgotten more about rifles than most of us know, that they work on more in a year than most of us do in a lifetime, and that EVERY ONE of the rifles that leaves their shop carries their name and liability with it.........

If it was "dangerous", would they do it and risk everything?

Doubtful. At best.

Exactly, my smith, "Bobby" Hart has done thousands for his shop and for other smith's as well. Total BS that it's dangerous.

If you don't mind that extractor passing through your head then it isn't a problem. It's dangerous, and unnecessary!

Prove it.

Prove I'm wrong. There is a gap there for the extractor to pass through in the event of faliure. It's dangerous.

Proving a negative, is impossible.

Prove that it's dangerous; that's your assertion, and if true, one that could be proven with empirical facts.

The fact is, the mod leaves a gap through which the extractor can pass in the event of a failure. It' dangerous and unnecessary. Remington extractors do not fail at any greater rate than any other design.

Prove that it's dangerous.

It's your assertion, and one that you have yet to prove. The assertion by itself flies in the face of the evidence to the contrary of the conversion being done by too many high end, reputable 'smith.

Where's the actual proof of the danger in the conversion? If you have such, post it.

Theory or guesses, don't suffice.

There is no evidence to the contrary. The gap is there. The Sako extractor in a Rem 700 creates a pressure relief in the side of the bolt and if you happen to have a case failure, it creats a dangerous gas relief port as opposed to utilizing the ports designed into the 700 action. This installation defeats the "3 rings of steel" system that the 700 is designed around.

So, you're saying that you have no evidence that it is, in fact, dangerous, correct?

No, you are saying that.

I am asking you for evidentiary proof that the conversion is, in fact, dangerous.

Do you have such factual evidence?

Yes, please see previous post.

And, you have proof of the dangerousness of the conversion related to actual instances of the conversion causing failures and/or injury?

What you posted, is theory. Without evidence to support the theory, it no more proves or disproves any position than does Icarus theorizing that wooden wings and feathers can help man fly.

Swamper, what you said was that the extractor could somehow fly back through the bolt face, bolt head, bolt nose, bolt raceway(s) and stick in the shooters head. Please explain how this happens. Of course a proven incident of this happening would be most helpful as well. I would, however, state that the conversion isn't really necessary.

Looks like it's a pretty common failure.....

http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59435

If you took the time to read the threads you cited, you will see that in some cases, the wrong size extractor was installed. Did I really need to say that the installation needed to be done correctly? Can you explain why every custom action made off the 700 design utilizes this dangerous extractor. Hint, it has nothing to do with the position of the installation.


I'll be waiting for you to google up some more knowledge.

It's your face. Mine doesn't need any imbedded bits of metal in it. A knowledgeable gunsmith won't do it. I read all the post. I've been reading about how dangerous this mod is for years.

I'm not trying to convince myself that a stupid mod, is a good safe mod. That would be you.

http://www.bryantcustom.com/faq.htm#21

Welding scopes bases to the reciever is probably safer than relying on screws as well.

The 721 and 722 are popular rifles and have been around for a long time and most have given good service..I grew up with a 722 in 257 Robts, but sold it to have enough money to enter the bronc riding at the RCA rodeo in El Paso, Texas, about 1953, lost the gun and the bronc riding the same day!

I don't disagree with what Savage 99 said, as he is correct and I know that if you break an extractor they are hard to replace, and I know that there are pros and cons on about any rifle design..the faults mentioned are there, how bad are they, not terribly but they are never the less there.

I certainly see no reason not to bring these weaknesses to light, it is in fact a service and a source of knowledge if its correct and in this case he was..

Will I continue to use them, I sure will and I have never had one fail, but they have failed as suggested and Rem. has had more law suits over trigger failure than any other firearms company or so I have been led to believe...

There is room for everyones opine on these blogs IMO....