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In other words, no, Swampman700 has no actual, evidentiary proof that the conversion is dangerous.

Good to know.

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Are you blind? If you want to kill yourself, go ahead. There's tons of evidentiary proof that as usual I'm right again. Do you need some more pictures of blown up rifles? Pieces of extractor and receiver going through a metal door...hello?

The Sako extractor mod is the bomb!


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Where's your proof, as you haven't put it up there yet.

Personally, I could take or leave the modification, but I'm also not making unsubstantiated claims as to it's safety. You are.





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Originally Posted by frogman43
Ran across one of these today in a local gunshop with $289 on the price tag. It has had the stock altered, and a gross red rubber buttpad installed. No major rust on it and still has factory open sights on it. Bore looks clean, and rifling looks sharp.

Is it worth the asking price?

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Buy it (if you haven't already). You can find M721 stocks on ebay for less than $200, probably less than $100.

My dad hunted with a M721 for 15 years begining in the mid 50's. Between the two of us, we own seven M721's/722's.

If yo want to make that M721 into a serious hunting rifle, I'd find an original stock for show, and buy a synthetic stock for hunting--the original stocks have a fair amount of drop at the heel, and with the original style hard rubber/steel/aluminum pad, can dish out a fair amount of felt recoil even in a 30-06.


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Originally Posted by ingwe
If they don't malfunction in the field ( and they haven't) then I'm happy! grin
But on the same vein, I've never encountered a plethora of other problems I keep hearing about...extractors on m700s,bolt handles coming off, etc......so maybe I've just been lucky ( that hasn't carried on to other facets of life neccessarily!)
Long as I'm on it, I just found and bought my wife a 722 in .222 in minty shape, and it shoots so well, I can see where the cartridge got its reputation...
Ingwe


You know......I currently have 14 M700's/721's/722's. I have a late 70's M700 Classic that I've run around 3000 rounds through it--mostly full-house hunting rounds. Those rifles have been carried on horseback in a scabbard, bounced off trees, backpack hunted, and bounced around in the pickup--I've never had a bolt handle break off, never had an extractor break.

Maybe it's just good karma..........


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Maybe we can get Karl Feldkamp (Kampfeld Customs) to comment on this, as he's a member here, one of the best 'smiths in the business, and someone who actually does the conversion upon request.

I have a feeling that your "proof" will go "poof", just as fast as it would, if you bothered to actually read your "proof".

Again, "proof", you've not provided. Theory, yes. Conjecture, yes. Proof, no.




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Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Maybe we can get Karl Feldkamp (Kampfeld Customs) to comment on this, as he's a member here, one of the best 'smiths in the business, and someone who actually does the conversion upon request.

I have a feeling that your "proof" will go "poof", just as fast as it would, if you bothered to actually read your "proof".

Again, "proof", you've not provided. Theory, yes. Conjecture, yes. Proof, no.


Proof of what?--that none of my bolts or extractors have ever broke?


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Originally Posted by muledeer
Those are human behavior flaws, not rifle flaws.

I rest my case.

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Some folks can't figure out how to unload the blind box magazine without fully cycling the bolt either.........

I've shown clients how to "pop" the shell out of the magazine--they were surprised it could be done that way..........


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Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Maybe we can get Karl Feldkamp (Kampfeld Customs) to comment on this, as he's a member here, one of the best 'smiths in the business, and someone who actually does the conversion upon request.

I have a feeling that your "proof" will go "poof", just as fast as it would, if you bothered to actually read your "proof".

Again, "proof", you've not provided. Theory, yes. Conjecture, yes. Proof, no.


Proof of what?--that none of my bolts or extractors have ever broke?


alpinecrick,

I believe VAnimrod meant to reply to Swampman700. They've been having a little ongoing "discussion" in this thread.

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Casey;

BFaucett's reply hit it; mine reply wasn't to you, but to Swampman700.

BTW - is there something in the water in SC that precludes an understanding of "proof"? First Liar 24's mythical M70 .375H&H rollstamped "Made in Columbia, S.C.", and now this.




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If pictures of blown up 700s that have been ruined by the Sako extractor mod isn't proof enough, I don't know what else to say.

Is it hard to breath with your head in the sand?


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Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by ingwe
If they don't malfunction in the field ( and they haven't) then I'm happy! grin
But on the same vein, I've never encountered a plethora of other problems I keep hearing about...extractors on m700s,bolt handles coming off, etc......so maybe I've just been lucky ( that hasn't carried on to other facets of life neccessarily!)
Long as I'm on it, I just found and bought my wife a 722 in .222 in minty shape, and it shoots so well, I can see where the cartridge got its reputation...
Ingwe


You know......I currently have 14 M700's/721's/722's. I have a late 70's M700 Classic that I've run around 3000 rounds through it--mostly full-house hunting rounds. Those rifles have been carried on horseback in a scabbard, bounced off trees, backpack hunted, and bounced around in the pickup--I've never had a bolt handle break off, never had an extractor break.

Maybe it's just good karma..........


Casey


More likely it's because they are stock. Letting "gunsmiths" booger them up, is the quickest way to ruination.


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
If pictures of blown up 700s that have been ruined by the Sako extractor mod isn't proof enough, I don't know what else to say.

Is it hard to breath with your head in the sand?


Did ya miss read the fact that the modifications were done improperly?




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More importantly, the person who had the extractor problem stated that it was "strictly a reloading error" on his part. Of course Swamp already knew that. Anything can fail and adding human error to the problem doesn't make this a "common" occurrence.

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Both of you are completely missing the point. A gas relief port is created where there shouldn't be one. The bolt's strength is completely compromised. Go back and carefully read those post. The mod is very dangerous & very unnecessary. You've seen, and rejected the proof.


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You completely missed the point; it ain't the conversion, it's the [bleep] up of the conversion.

And, again, you still haven't posted a single shred of proof.




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I'm not missing any point that you are trying to make. You stated that it was a "common" failure. It is not by any stretch of your imagination. One of the gunsmiths that you have cited said it was "a one in a million occurrence". If that's what you call common, start playing the lotto. I DO agree that the mod is not necessary.

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Necessary or not, ain't point.

Still waiting on "proof" that it's dangerous.

I'm thinking I'll see Liar24's mythical M70 first...........




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Posting pics of blown apart actions only illustrates the real point of catastrophic case failure due to human failure. They didn't become unglued from having a Sako extractor installed.

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Yes they did, you can't blow up a 700 Remington with 100,000 PSI loads.

You've seen the proof,& you know it. Just admit you're wrong.


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