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Hi guys, Was just in my loading room and found a full can of old Hodgdon H205. I was going to use it in my 06 years ago but never did. With prices what they are and some powder hard to get i thought i would put it under some 150grn. Hornadys for whitetails here in Mi.. Does it compare with any new Hodgdon powders? Was it temp. sensative, dirty, i guess just how did it work? Any info and or opinions would be great. Thanks guys Guy
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H205 was reviewed by Clay Harvey in Handloader Magazine years ago, and the article reprinted in the book "Propellant Profiles."
Harvey says that H-205 is in the general area of IMR4350 or W760. If so, it makes it quite suitable for the .30-06. In fact, he lists five loads in it (all maximum):
61.0/130 HP 2,850 fps
60.0/150 SP 3,090 fps
60.0/165 SP 2,818 fps
60.0/180 SP 2,759 fps
57.0/220 SP 2,545 fps
Judging from the first four, we might guess that 60 grains more or less is a case full. All those loads came in under 50,000 psi, and he opined that the .30-06 has just about the perfect case volume for H-205.
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I used it in the .30-06 way back when, and got very good results. I seem to recall that it was an imported powder (Scotland?), and that they had problems with lot-to-lot pressure variation, so they quit selling it. This suggests that you should approach loading it very carefully, and not rely too much on published data for minimum charges.
As I recall, the loading density was just about right for good velocity in the '06
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Ken Waters used it in "Pet Loads" quite a bit. I think it was one of his favorite powders.
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My 3rd ed. Hornady manual shows the following:
30-06
Win. Model 70
22" 1:10"
Frontier case, Federal 210 primer
150 gr. Spire point #3031
55grains/2700fps
56.6/2800
58.2/2900
59.8/3000
61.5/3100
Be careful, H205 got a reputation for being inconsistent/touchy.
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My hunting partner used it to very good effect in the 06 with 200 grain Partitions. I wrote to Hodgdon inquiring about its removal from the line and speculating that its disappearance was due to unpredictable spiking at the top end. I received this in reply, "H-205 did perform well in some applications and at the same time it would be very erratic in other applications. Because of this behavior pattern we decided to discontinue the powder."
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Also, I think H205 was often confused with N205, a much slower Norma powder and a favorite of Bob Hagel's. If a guy looked up a load for N205 and then substituted H205, an understandable error, his resultant load would be surely too HOT!
That said, H205 is one of my favorite (the favorite?) powders in the .30-06. I also love it in the 7x57, .284 Win and .338 WM. It should be damn-near perfect in the .375 H&H also, although I haven't tried it due to my dwindling supply of the powder.
Since you only have one pound, why don't you just forget about your .30-06 project and send me the powder? You'll make a fellow reloader very happy....
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Hi guys, I loaded a few this afternoon out of the third ed. Hornady manual. I loaded 61grns. witch is .5grn under max in this book and had no sings of pressure. This should have put out close to 3100fps but it didn't come close. In my 700 with a 22in. tube it put out a 2837fps avg.. In my sons 700 with a 24in. tube it put out 2930fps avg. Plenty good enough for deer if they group well. Will have to try that some other day as it is raining now. Any more info. or opinions would be great. Thanks guys......Guy
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guy: Friends and I used it extensively back in the 80's when it was available.As Rocky stated it is in the same class as the 4350's.As others have noted it was a very good powder in the 30/06;in fact one of the best that we ever worked with, but it was also "hot",and you had to watch it.
One 30/06 in the bunch was a left hand Savage that belonged to a friend; loads that my barrel handled with no problem blew a primer one day in his,with the chronograph giving a very high reading with the 150 gr bullet.
It was great in the 338 and the 375H&H also.But be careful if you are loading with the Hornady bullet;if you have worked up with the Hornady, and then switch to another bullet of the same weight, start over and work back up . I learned that the hard way with H205 and the 338 Win Mag.
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Guy,
I, like others on this thread, used this powder a lot during the 80's and am still using the three or four pounds I have left. During the 80's, and even thereafter, it was much used for silhouette competition in the Cody, Wyoming, area. It was a favorite in the 7mm-08.
I have used it in the 7x57, 30-06 Imp. and .338 Win. The lot that I was (and still am) using gives velocities very close to H4350 in my rifles. I never had any problems with that lot, but it is the only lot I have ever used. I do remember shooters talking about quite radical burning-rate variation from lot to lot. This was the reason most hand-loaders of my acquaintance gave for its being discontinued. This is also a really good reason to be extra careful when starting with a lot that is new to you.
Hopefully, this helps,
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Hi guys, Being as i only have the 1lb the lot to lot issue isn't one. I,ll just load a few, shoot a few groups, and if they aren,t good enough i'll tweak my way down with the powder instead of up. My every day load has been 59grns. of IMR4350 with most data saying it should be about 3000fps. I get 2775fps in my 700 and my sons 700 gets 2865fps, again well below the manual numbers. Is my chrony bad or is their data that far off? I already know 2775fps will kill anything i'll shoot, but does any powder really give 3000fps with a 150grn. in an 06. Clean burning and not temp. sensative preferably. Keep it comen. Thanks........Guy
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Ever try 52-53 grains of IMR4064?
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Ever try 52-53 grains of IMR4064? That works! Used it on my first mule deer many moons ago... 
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Hi guys, Being as i only have the 1lb the lot to lot issue isn't one. I,ll just load a few, shoot a few groups, and if they aren,t good enough i'll tweak my way down with the powder instead of up. My every day load has been 59grns. of IMR4350 with most data saying it should be about 3000fps. I get 2775fps in my 700 and my sons 700 gets 2865fps, again well below the manual numbers. Is my chrony bad or is their data that far off? I already know 2775fps will kill anything i'll shoot, but does any powder really give 3000fps with a 150grn. in an 06. Clean burning and not temp. sensative preferably. Keep it comen. Thanks........Guy Considering the figures you have here and those you gave previously, I would guess your H205 is just a bit slower than IMR4350; you need approximately 1.0 to 1.5 grains more of your H205 to equal your IMR4350 in this application. I would also guess, your chronograph might be reading a tad slowly, or your rifles are a bit long-throated and/or loose (slick) bored. Most of the various '06's I've chronographed with 150's were in the neighborhood of 3000fps with 59 grains of IMR4350; the two or three that weren't, were slow, and they were 700's that had really long throats. M Bell
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mathman thats all i shoot in 30-06 with any 150 gr bullet it works good
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Yep, that load is a classic. I'm thinking it will beat what the OP is getting from the loads mentioned earlier, hence the mention question.
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Doggone! I've heard more stories as to why H-205 got dropped than I've heard about anything lately.  Guess the truth is out there somewhere. Right after it got dropped, the NRA had their convention in Phoenix and the wife and I went. I asked Hodgden's rep about their dropping is and I distinctly remember his answer, "Frankly, the numbers were not there." Bluntly put, according to him people were not buying the powder. Somebody said they they were told the powder could get "spikey" at high pressures. It may have but I never ran into that problem My pet load was with the 180 gr. Sierra Pro-hunters was 55.0 gr. of H-205, the exact same level Ken Waters reached in his Pet Loads article. darned accurate in my rifles abd shot to the same place as factory ammo. However, one of the main reasons I though might have been part of the problem was mistaking it for N-205. I just wish they'd brought it back out with a different number and called it a new powder. Paul B.
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Doggone! I've heard more stories as to why H-205 got dropped than I've heard about anything lately. Guess the truth is out there somewhere. Right after it got dropped, the NRA had their convention in Phoenix and the wife and I went. I asked Hodgden's rep about their dropping is and I distinctly remember his answer, "Frankly, the numbers were not there." Bluntly put, according to him people were not buying the powder. Somebody said they they were told the powder could get "spikey" at high pressures. It may have but I never ran into that problem My pet load was with the 180 gr. Sierra Pro-hunters was 55.0 gr. of H-205, the exact same level Ken Waters reached in his Pet Loads article. darned accurate in my rifles abd shot to the same place as factory ammo. However, one of the main reasons I though might have been part of the problem was mistaking it for N-205. I just wish they'd brought it back out with a different number and called it a new powder. Paul B. Perhaps they did, and called it H4350.
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