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#3341998 - 09/28/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: 222Rem]  
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I think the 40 is a little on the light side for deer considering also the pistols it is usually chambered in. By the way ColdCase1984 love the photo of the SR71 Blackbird.


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#3342653 - 09/28/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: EthanEdwards]  
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Cole Younger....Maybe we are related Ummmmm! Nonetheless, the .40 S&W is NOT in the same boat as the 10mm caliber sir, no way. I would not call the .40 S&W a Stopper Caliber either. The 45acp is a Stopper yes! The 10mm is a stopper yes! The .41mag is a Stopper and so goes the .44mag but again not the .40 S&W.

If you wish to compare the Geletin Blocks that appear on a link at "AR-15.com" please do. You will see first hand the results of a 10mm round compared to the 9mm Luger, 38spl, 357mag, 45acp etc. The 10mm causes twice as much damage and penetrates deeper as well.


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#3343424 - 09/29/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: Tonk]  
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FWIW, a friend got a close shot at a deer in TX last year, he never found it, since not recovered I cannot say where it was hit, etc.

What I can say, is that I would never CHOOSE to hunt with a 40, but would a 10mm.

As above, kill yes, hunt no. Survival scenario, another story.

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#3351064 - 10/01/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: 65BR]  
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I would say yes, I have killed a bighorn sheep with one shot at 50 yds, 155 grain Speer Gold Dot. Bullet lodged under off-side hide- Sheep was running and piled up. Don't get any better than this!


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#3356829 - 10/04/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: dennisinaz]  
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Dennisinaz.....Ok yesterday I had to shoot a goat that weighed in at around the 90-lb weight. I used a Glock model-22, using Speer 155 Gold Dot hollow point ammo.

The first shot was square in the shoulder, as animal was standing broadside to me. The second shot hit to far back (it spun around quickly) after the goat reacted to the first shot. The distance was 15 feet and neither of those shots exited the animal.

It simply hobbled around until I put a shot into it's head at 5 ft, the goat dropped and was then dead. I have also shot a coyote with the same pistol and ammo. I am telling all, I was NOT impressed with the .40 cal Smith & Wesson at all. I would never try to use this caliber on whitetail deer. I think a pistol caliber for whitetail starts with a 10mm and goes upward to the .44magnum and so on.


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#3357065 - 10/04/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: Tonk]  
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We used to shoot 900# butcher steers with a .22LR. Fall over dead! A .40 S&W is still not a good deer hunting cartridge.

#3358493 - 10/04/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: croldfort]  
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Would a .40 cal pistol be sufficient to cleanly kill a deer with?



The answer is still yes. I don't think it is ideal and maybe a stretch to call it good, but it is sufficient.


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#3358967 - 10/04/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: BillyGoatGruff]  
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I have been told by police that they have trouble dispatching road damaged deer with their 40 S&Ws. I would suggest you look at 10mm or 41 mag or larger for deer hunting.

#3359129 - 10/04/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: 222Rem]  
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Originally Posted by 222Rem
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Originally Posted by CrazyCoot
Would a .40 cal pistol be sufficient to cleanly kill a deer with?


Kill a deer? Sure.

Good enough for hunting them? Nope.


My thoughts prezactly.

In the last 14yrs I've shot well over 100 deer and elk with a .40S&W from a Glock 22. They've all been easier, closer shots than you'd encounter while hunting because they were crippled by motor vehicles first. Long story short, the performance is not inspiring with anything other than head shots. Given half a chance I use a long gun instead.


In a former life as a state trooper I had very similar experiences. I was issued a G21 .45 and put down similar amounts of vehicle struck game. The .45 was instantly effective when head shots were used. When the critter was semi mobile and would drag itself away at a rate faster than I could keep up on foot, I would shoot for the shoulder and bust the front shoulder, putting them down so I get get close enough to put a mercy shot into the brain. At one point, one winter I was so frustrated with watching some coworkers shoot at animals, causing more suffering, I held an informal class with a couple on the anatomy of game animals. They were trying to do the right thing, they just did not know.

In regards to the .40 for deer. I know of a very small number of exceptional handgun hunters that I would be totally comfortable with them using a .40 to hunt deer with. These men are crack field shots and respect their game enough not to cause any undue suffering. For the vast majority of handgun hunters, I would say stick with a 44 mag or 45 Colt.



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#3382232 - 10/13/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: Mackay_Sagebrush]  
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You had best check your states regs,cause here a 38 special is just too short,but a .357Mag is long enough,and a Colt 45 is okay
and a colt .45acp is too short. And the 40S&W is too short,but
the 10mil because of vel and flbs it is the only short cartridge
allowed for deer and larger game!

The 10 mil is probably allowed everywhere!

Bob

#3382439 - 10/13/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: bobbyjack]  
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bobbyjack

the hunting regs are based on the physical length of the cartridge as opposed to caliber or energy.......

Wow.... Whack rules. What state are you ine

#3383569 - 10/13/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: hikerbum]  
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I think my state (KS) goes by case length for legal handgun cartridges for deer, that would convert to powder capacity, that should convert to energy. The .38Spec, .45ACP, and .40S&W are too short. Rifle cartridges must be .24 caliber or larger. The state does many stupid things, but these appear to be right on to me.

#3401068 - 10/19/09 Re: .40 for Deer Hunting? [Re: croldfort]  
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You can kill a deer with a 22. A 40 cal in my opinion is a bad choice.

My partner had to put down a deer the other day with a 40 cal. Muley was already hopping around on a broken leg. Bullet to the head from 15 yards slowed it down enough to get a clean headshot.

Its a decent round for a defensive weapon. Not for a clean kill on moderate sized game though. It was never designed with hunting in mind.

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