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I loaded the 130NAB in a Rem 700 CDL SF 270WSM and it was the best that rifle ever shot. Ditto with a Ruger MKII 270WSM. Off hand I can't remember the powder, may have been RL19, I wasn't loading for max was in more traditional 270 win velocities.

I know I used the 130NAB and RL19 in a 260 77MKII and got exceptional accuracy. I like the way the NAB shoot. They will kill deer dead.


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I checked my notes, I used 4831sc for a little over 3000 fps in the 270 wsm. It is all I need for most all of my hunting needs.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer


I'd like to hear from anybody else who has shot both AB's and Scirocco's as far as accuracy results. I've had my own experiences with both but am interested in other's results.


FWIW..........

I've tried 150 & 165 Scirocco's in 2 different '06's with less than hoped for results.

In both guns, groups were 1.5-2.5" & not consistent, symmetrical groups at that.

Loading 165 AB's (or Partitions) bring groups to an inch or better & they are consistent & symmetrical.

I've also used the 140 AB in a Rem KS 270 & they are about a one hole grouping.......but I've tried no Scirocco's in that rifle, but it shoots almost everything else well.

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Originally Posted by magnumb
Anything can go wrong and does, but pretty unusual to pick just one bullet to dissect and have it turn out to be such so defective. Makes one wonder just how many there are in that box........?

BTW - were those S1" or the newer S11"s..........?


They were new Series 2 and put me off swift, especially the lack of response from management.

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I have had good success with the 210 Scirocco II and the 225 Accubond on my 338-06. Both have demonstrated consistent groups in the .6-.8 range. Not a lot of data points, but enough to feel confident either way. No experience on game yet.

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Thanks to everybody who has provided info!


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Both have shot just fine for me. I've killed more critters with the Swift, newer and older version. I do believe the Swifts like a little faster twist, which I generally run in aftermarket tubes, but that's just a 'guess'


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Steelhead, have you tried the 90 gr 6mm on game yet? That one has been the gold standard in my 6mm Rem. Gotten really spoiled on that one. I have some of the nosler e-tips and some bergers to try yet but that's just experimenting. It would be real hard to beat the 90 gr swift. This is all in regards to the whitetails we have around here, havn't shot anything heavier.

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Negative but I have them loaded up and will be going hunting with me next week. Still have a 9.3x57 and a 6.5x54 I need to get bloody also.


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Sounds like a tough job...No rest for the wicked I guess.

Good Luck to Ya!

edit to add, reminds me, got a 9X57 here that needs some blood.

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I feel the Accubond performs flawless at non-magnum velocitys.

180's in my -06 were extremely accurate and I never recoverd a single one. Meat loss was minimal. The AB's wound channel,entrance and exit's were very similiar to a Partition.

I've seen enough meat damanage with AB's at magnum velocitys that I'd just stick with a partition. Just my 2 cents.


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Originally Posted by VonGruff
I have posted this before as well but this is the reason I will not go to the Swift again. emailed them but they wern't interested. Use the GS Custom bullet now for the "important" stuff.
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This was a bullet picked at random to complement a wall display.

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Good reason to weight sort bullets


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Thanks for the response.

I also had my one and only horrible experience with the S1's, specifically their 180gr. in my 300RUM on a bull when Swift first put them out. I called Swift to check if they thought the bullet was adequate for elk prior to load development and they said "yes", especially in that weight and cartridge.

Not good........not at all.

Thanks for sharin' your results as well.........

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I wish I had a picture of a first generation Scirocco I recovered a few years ago from a whitetail. I put the bullet down while skinning the deer and forgot about it. Came back later and it was gone.

Anyway, and I know it's not all that relevant to discussing the second generation bullet, that thing was flat as a pancake with virtually no bullet shank remaining and was about as wide as a half dollar. I shot this deer from about 15 yards and was in a tripod stand at the time. The shot was right behind the shoulder and I expected to find an exit wound on the other side lower than the entrance considering I was shooting down at it. Instead the bullet didn't exit, but veered almost 90 degrees to the left and upward, ending up under the skin of the deer's right shoulder. It must have flattened out within the first 2 or 3 inches and then, for lack of a better word, it "hydroplaned" up and to the left. I guess shooting them that close with a .300 Wby will do that. What's astonishing to me is that a deer can take a hit like that and still run 50 yards, which this one did.


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I couldn't find any pieces big enough to show that I took from that bull with the S1's..........

About as a complete fragmentation of a bullet that I've ever seen.

Bad....very bad.

I gave several hundred of those bullets to a buddy free of charge 'cuz they left me with such a bad experience. He uses them on deer out of his 300RUM.

Makes a guy pretty wary, even though the S11's might be the bullet of a lifetime. I won't be finding out...........


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This a 6mm 90gr SSII I pulled out of a whitetail shoulder just this afternoon. This shot entered in front of the rear leg and stopped in the off side shoulder. Muzzle velocity was 3220 and that shot was 160yds. It measures about .510" at its widest point and weighs 81.6gr. Shot 6 whitetails and this was the only one that didn't exit. I (personally) like the SSII.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
I predict they will kill an elk!

I'd like to hear from anybody else who has shot both AB's and Scirocco's as far as accuracy results. I've had my own experiences with both but am interested in other's results.


I have not tried the SSIIs, but I could not get a single one of the original Sciroccos to fly worth a damm in 6mm, .277, or .308. The only Accubonds I've used are 150 gr. .308 and they shoot exceptionally well......

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Where you postin' those buck pics at Brad?

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Brad, good to see what SSII looks like. I've used my 6mm on 14 of them and havn't got to see one until your post.

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kyteloader,
From your water jug tests, it looks like the Scirocco may have a slight edge in both a larger mushroom, and weight retention.

My rifle likes Accubonds, but I may need to try out the accuracy in some Scirocco's.

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