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Originally Posted by joecool544

No I was just amazed it took four shots to kill that skinny bag of bones. Must suck to be caught in a lie.


No lie, just lack of memory as I honestly stated. You're still an azzhat and your smirky first post on this thread to me was loaded AND disingenuous as you know full well... you can play innocent, but I know better.

PS, you also obviously know nothing about what actual elk hunting in timber entails... as to christianity, that's between me and God and is not the business of pompous, deceptive azzhats.



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Originally Posted by purplefox66
not trying to pic a fight Brad but why are you so mean and angry?


You shouldn't have an opinion about something you know nothing about.

Thanks.


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Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
All that to put someone on ignore?

Longwinded little [bleep], ain't ya?


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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Funny how it goes sometimes....Want to find a bull?...go coyote hunting...Want to find a bunch of coyotes? Go elk hunting....grin! I've killed a few bulls with the swift and a few coyotes with my .338LM!!

I dont use the swift for anything larger than coyotes now but will always believe that shot placement trumps everything else...

I was out calling dogs the day I ran into that bull over by Ringling, Montana...I put two 55gr ballistic tips into his ribs from the black ridge behind me...150 yards or so. He never went 10 feet.


Scenar, sorry this good thread got dragged into the mud by the clown from Oregon (I played my part too). As I told Mark, I flunked Dale Carnegie when I responded to the little man. I apologize to everyone that had to endure it (apart from Mr. Cool).

I know Ringling pretty well... some good elk country. The Shields is one of my favorite places in the state. We have a little slice of it in Sedan, that I'm very grateful to have.

Mark told me your name, and I certainly know of you... your reputation with a rifle precedes you! laugh



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I can't understand it when people get in these name-calling matches on the 'fire or anywhere else for that matter. Joe, I have no idea what this is about and I don't know you but I suspect you're better than this and I know Brad is. He just showed it.

Truce, eh?

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your right Brad i was not saying anything bad just seems like you are angry over nothing. just trying to understand. cheers Derrill

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No worries Derril. I think I took your post as you meant it.

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It's all good fella's....now back to what we love and live for!!


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So, nowadays with all the other hunters on public land, I like the .338's for bang flop elk hunting!


I've shot elk with the 338 WM that needed more than one!

Elk are all individuals, and some don't know they're dead no matter what you hit them with.


This is certainly true. I am not picking a fight with you. I am remarking more about having deer and or elk tagged by other hunters who get the drop on you or, in my case: three mounted riders shooting up an animal that I had shot, tagging it and trying to start a gun fight over it. I was on foot, in Utah, in the snow and 3 miles from my truck.

Since that incident, I have and will use my .340 Wea. Mag for all elk hunting on public land. A 225 gr Accubond seems to have the horsepower to do the job, assuming that I do my part. I also carry a .45 Long Colt while hunting for varmits. Just a comment, that's all.


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I have a weatherby vangaurd in .338 win mag,full stainless steel safari brown synthetic stock with a nikon 3X9x40mm silver scope. 711$ for the rifle, 300$ or so for the scope.... Shoot 225 accubonds for anything in north america wouldn't use anything else. Kicks a little but very tolerable

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Spanker, it would be easier to sell this rifle in the free classifieds section. More people will see it there.


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Buddy of mine killed 7 Bulls with his 257 Wea before he had a guide tell him it was not an elk rifle.

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Originally Posted by keith
Buddy of mine killed 7 Bulls with his 257 Wea before he had a guide tell him it was not an elk rifle.


According to Clair Rees, the infamous gunwriter, world hunter and author of "Matching the gun to the game", it is very marginal for elk. Best that he recommends is a 300 Win Mag or 338 Win Mag.

personally, I'd like to know if people knowingly hunt with a 270 Winchester for elk anymore and if so, what bullet do they use.


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Confidence in your rifle is a powerful thing; I would take the 30-06.

I hunt elk with a .338 WM or a .300 H&H, either of which I have tremendous confidence in. If I had even the slightest bit more confidence in hitting with a 30-06 over these rifles, I would sure use it.

And for the record, I have killed elk very dead with a 30-06. Hard to go wrong with 180 gr. Nosler Partitions in the '06 for elk...

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And I should add, I'd recommend simplicity in a scope - get a fixed 4x (I like older Leupolds). Elk are big, power not required in glass. Spend the extra on good binocs.

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Originally Posted by brooksrange
Originally Posted by keith
Buddy of mine killed 7 Bulls with his 257 Wea before he had a guide tell him it was not an elk rifle.


According to Clair Rees, the infamous gunwriter, world hunter and author of "Matching the gun to the game", it is very marginal for elk. Best that he recommends is a 300 Win Mag or 338 Win Mag.

personally, I'd like to know if people knowingly hunt with a 270 Winchester for elk anymore and if so, what bullet do they use.



I couldn't care less what CR said about elk rifles. I'd be willing to bet that my wife has killed more elk than he has...<g>

AS for bullets in the 270, here's a sample of what we've used in the last few years. 130 NPT, 130 Horn, 140 Horn, 130 TSX, 130 Sierra Bt, 150 Hot Core, 150 NPT, 150 NPT, 150 Horn, 140 Sierra HPBT.

If I had to hunt elk with a 270 for the rest of my days I'd worry not and would fill up an ark or two with preme bullets and or std cnc.

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Match the caliber with the game. 30'06 with 180gr+ is sufficient. Sure, a perfect shot placement with a 22-250 will take an Elk. Shoot one through the heart and don't hit a rib bone, a 22-250 will take an Elk. But it isn't ethical to use inadequate gear to take an animal. Don't use anything smaller than 30 caliber 180gr at 2800+ fps on Elk. Yes, 7mm using 175gr would be OK also. Using a 257/270 on Elk is just dumb.


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Originally Posted by WSM_Fan
Match the caliber with the game. 30'06 with 180gr+ is sufficient. Sure, a perfect shot placement with a 22-250 will take an Elk. Shoot one through the heart and don't hit a rib bone, a 22-250 will take an Elk. But it isn't ethical to use inadequate gear to take an animal. Don't use anything smaller than 30 caliber 180gr at 2800+ fps on Elk. Yes, 7mm using 175gr would be OK also. Using a 257/270 on Elk is just dumb.


First off welcome to the Fire, tis a fun place to hang out and learn and to cuss and discuss BG (ballistic gack).

Now about your statement about "Using a 257/270 on Elk is just dumb". You truly need to get out and hunt and kill more elk...

And, if you don't mind please share with us your experiences in killing elk that has led you to have a mind set as such?

Dober

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Look, not arguing that a 257/270 won't get the job done, and I will reel in my "dumb" comment, but IMHO I just feel it isn't adequte for Elk. That's all. I'm actually surprised to hear so many ppl using these calibers for Elk. I don't claim to be an expert in Elk hunting ... have done much more white tail hunting.
I'm partial to the newer WSM cartridges, but one can't go wrong with the tried and true 30'06.
Great web site for sharing thoughts, ideas and general BS. :-)


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