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#3609588 - 12/26/09 Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30  
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Some years ago I bought a new in the box 30-30 trapper from a friend.Loved the way it looked and felt.Never fired it.Another friend offered me more than I paid for it so I sold it to him.Regretted it later.
Christmas eve I was in my local gun emporium and saw and purchased an absolute new looking Trapper 30-30 as my Christmas present to myself.I can guarantee this one is not going anywhere.
Only thing I don't like is the stupid cross bolt safety.I rekon my gunsmith is going to have to remove that thing.

Stan in SC


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#3609786 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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The Trappers are a lot of fun. Before you pull the safety place an o-ring on the left side. The o-ring helps to prevent inadvertent activation of the safety.
There are two “fixes” I have seen on the internet for the safety – the safety is easy to remove – use a paper clip to depress the ball detent and slid it out. The problem is covering the divot on the right side of the receiver. The “fixes” vary from coins soldered into the hole to a replacement for the safety with cone shaped filler for the hole. The problem with this second “fix” is the new cross bolt and filler still must be removed to pull the sliding bolt.

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#3610474 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: william_iorg]  
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Originally Posted by william_iorg
The Trappers are a lot of fun. Before you pull the safety place an o-ring on the left side. The o-ring helps to prevent inadvertent activation of the safety.
There are two “fixes” I have seen on the internet for the safety – the safety is easy to remove – use a paper clip to depress the ball detent and slid it out. The problem is covering the divot on the right side of the receiver. The “fixes” vary from coins soldered into the hole to a replacement for the safety with cone shaped filler for the hole. The problem with this second “fix” is the new cross bolt and filler still must be removed to pull the sliding bolt.

William, Do you know who makes the cone shaped filler for the safety divot hole in the receiver? I would like to do that to my Win 444 Timber rifle, as I love the rifle except for that godawful divot! Thank you.


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#3610582 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: ken458]  
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William,thanks for the removal tip.I saw one that had a shell base super glued in the divot.Looked good.


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45/70,it's almost a religion.

If you have to take a second shot then you probably shouldn't have taken the first shot.
#3610901 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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I dont believe it is made for sale. I believe there was a long thread with pictures on Paco Kelly's Leverguns.


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#3611078 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: william_iorg]  
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Yes,it was on Paco's and I believe it was in the "one" sticky.

Stan in SC


The more I listen,the more I hear....and vice versa.

45/70,it's almost a religion.

If you have to take a second shot then you probably shouldn't have taken the first shot.
#3611235 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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Tastes vary, but I don't find the cross bolt safety nearly as repugnant as the tang one that replaced it. The Williams receiver sight on my AE helps prevent the cross bolt one from being activated or seen. Nothing can help that tang one. I still prefer the older rifles with neither the most.


#3611419 - 12/26/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Youper]  
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Stan, Thanks, I coudnt remember where it was...

Youper, I just live with it too. The Williams sight and the o-ring are the easiest fix.

Here are two links for fixes. There are at least three more.

http://onesticky.levergunscommunity.org/how_to/94_crossbolt_adios.html

http://onesticky.levergunscommunity.org/how_to/94_centenial_x-bolt.html

Ok, now just one more to find...

Chuck Hawks and L.F. Combs had a cheap “fix.”


http://www.hobbygunsmith.com/Archives/May04/Interview.htm

http://www.gunblast.com/LFCombs-Win94.htm



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#3612031 - 12/27/09 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: william_iorg]  
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I just leave it. It's part of the gun, a feature that I don't like but it is handy for loading and unloading safely. If I disable the safety I cannot sell the gun until I restore it to original. So I just live with it.

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#3639434 - 01/04/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: JBLEDSOE]  
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JBLEDSOE,very sage advice.I think I will just try to accustom myself to it at this point.
William iorg,the o-ring is a good idea also.
I sincerely appreciate all of your comments.Range time up and coming.

Stan in SC


The more I listen,the more I hear....and vice versa.

45/70,it's almost a religion.

If you have to take a second shot then you probably shouldn't have taken the first shot.
#3643793 - 01/05/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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Good find on the trapper.

I am not a big lever guy; I am a bolt guy, but I do like lightweight rifles and carbines. I am looking to buy a trapper, youth, or some lightweight model Winchester 94 with the tang safety for a youth hunter. I like the safeties. When the youth is old enough to carry the rifle in the woods I like the insurance. I found a Ranger 94 3030 with a 20 inch barrel and full sized stock, but I will trade it for a tang model in the variation I want. I would also prefer a 44, 357, or 35 but the 3030 is good too. What is nice is that these rifles are in calibers that are mild to shoot and can be shot left or right handed.

#3649098 - 01/06/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: WPAH]  
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WPAH, look for a Marlin 1894C, the 357 model. Great fun and it doesn't abuse the shooter with recoil.

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#3658688 - 01/09/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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Just leave it. If you don't want it on, push it to the off position and forget about it. I have never really had a problem with mine.It's a safety, maybe that's a good idea.

#3658963 - 01/09/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: taipan1]  
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taipan1,yes I am coming to the same conclusion.As much as I don't like the look I think I will just ignore it.

Stan


The more I listen,the more I hear....and vice versa.

45/70,it's almost a religion.

If you have to take a second shot then you probably shouldn't have taken the first shot.
#3659285 - 01/09/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: JBLEDSOE]  
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Originally Posted by JBLEDSOE
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WPAH, look for a Marlin 1894C, the 357 model. Great fun and it doesn't abuse the shooter with recoil.

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I will second that recommendation.

#3659462 - 01/09/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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I am looking for a Browning B92 in .357 magnum.

#3683061 - 01/15/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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Personally, I never grew up with safeties, but I realize that they are here to stay. I haven't changed my opinions of them, which are basically negative.
A big problem with safeties of any type is relying on them, rather than on skill. Safeties can lull one into a false sense of security, or even a lack of respect for the power of the firearm. Any mechanical device is as prone to mishap as the human who designed and built it, and thus the idea that safeties make a firearm safer and the more the merrier is at best an illusion. I suppose we can't be surprised that we have to deal with all this, since they have all been mandated by politicians and lawyers, two groups of people who find it impossible to analyze a problem and craft a simple solution.
That said, I second J.B.'s comments regarding them, besides, a nice thing about the cross bolt is you can use it-or not. If you leave it off, your gun will work just fine. Speaking personally, I find the cross bolt impossible to take a quick peek at to find out if it is engaged or not, so I make a habit of leaving the safety off.
Regarding the new tang unit, unless you mount a tang sight, its a simple glance to tell yourself if its engaged, and that alone makes it a better idea, IMHO.

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#3694293 - 01/18/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: JBLEDSOE]  
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Somewhere I have a 94 Trapper in 44 Mag. It was a very cool rifle but haven't seen it in years. It is so short I must have it hidden in my safe somewhere. Gonna have to go on a search and rescue mission on the thing. If I remember correctly it had hardwood stocks, not Walnut and a saddle ring on the left side of the receiver. Pretty handy. HHMMM....


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#3698423 - 01/19/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stroker]  
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Bet it has walnut stocks.


#3702486 - 01/21/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: JBLEDSOE]  
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Bet it does too.

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The more I listen,the more I hear....and vice versa.

45/70,it's almost a religion.

If you have to take a second shot then you probably shouldn't have taken the first shot.
#3702669 - 01/21/10 Re: Winchester Model 94AE "Trapper" in 30-30 [Re: Stan_in_SC]  
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You guys were right, the hardwood stocks were on a Rem 870 Express thats never been used either. I bet I have only fired this 44 Mag 20 times in its lifetime. But may take it out this afternoon and burn up some old .240gr SJHP rounds I have laying around. It was stuck in the back of the safe in a corner and is in need of attention.
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What did you say the serial number is? 5,4xx,xxx to 5,6xx,xxx or something in that range?





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