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7x57 again... #3852953 03/02/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	I posted this a few weeks ago and I don't think some of you believed me, but man I am getting crazy velocities from my 7x57 built on a Agentine Mauser and H 4350. And I know it isn't the chrony because a 6.5x55 shot moments before was getting right what the book said it should be getting. I changed primers from last time and velocities went up even more. 49 grains of H4350 and a 139 grain Hornady with a Rem 9 1/2 averaged 3034 and itty bitty groups. 48 grains and a 154 Hornady averaged 2925 and itty bitty groups. There were no pressure signs in any manner whatsoever that I could tell. But, dang, that is 200 fps faster than what most of you guys are saying you get with comparable loads. Last edited by Cossatotjoe; 03/02/10.

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Re: 7x57 again... Cossatotjoe #3853196 03/02/10
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,507 Central Highlands G Gadfly Campfire Regular
Gadfly Campfire Regular G Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,507 Central Highlands	That beats what I'm getting with the same bullets in a 22" .280 Rem. But, I'm not cranking it up all the way. I believe this was mentioned in the other thread, but it bears repeating: Just because your cases don't show obvious pressure signs, it doesn't necessarily mean that pressure isn't high. Your velocities indicate, to me anyway, that you're pushing the pressure envelope with those loads. I'd kick it back a grain and see if the accuracy held. Also, was your 1909 Arg. heat treated before it was re-barreled? Originals tend to be on the soft side, and those hot loads could cause set back issues. ego operor non tutela

Re: 7x57 again... Gadfly #3853323 03/02/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	I'm going back a few grains. I don't really have much desire to go that high, it is just a little crazy and it is only with H 4350. It is weird.

Re: 7x57 again... Cossatotjoe #3853610 03/02/10
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,790 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana
mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,790	Does that lot of H4350 behave normally in other cartridges for you?

Re: 7x57 again... mathman #3853616 03/02/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	Yep.

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Re: 7x57 again... Cossatotjoe #3854331 03/02/10
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 7,074 A AussieGunWriter Campfire Tracker
AussieGunWriter Campfire Tracker A Joined: May 2005 Posts: 7,074	Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe I posted this a few weeks ago and I don't think some of you believed me, but man I am getting crazy velocities from my 7x57 built on a Agentine Mauser and H 4350. And I know it isn't the chrony because a 6.5x55 shot moments before was getting right what the book said it should be getting. I changed primers from last time and velocities went up even more. 49 grains of H4350 and a 139 grain Hornady with a Rem 9 1/2 averaged 3034 and itty bitty groups. 48 grains and a 154 Hornady averaged 2925 and itty bitty groups. There were no pressure signs in any manner whatsoever that I could tell. But, dang, that is 200 fps faster than what most of you guys are saying you get with comparable loads. I had a chronograph like that once. It was the first model green Chrony, about 25 years ago. I found then when you put a bullet right through the middle of it, it never reads high again. John When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.

Re: 7x57 again... AussieGunWriter #3854351 03/02/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe I posted this a few weeks ago and I don't think some of you believed me, but man I am getting crazy velocities from my 7x57 built on a Agentine Mauser and H 4350. And I know it isn't the chrony because a 6.5x55 shot moments before was getting right what the book said it should be getting. I changed primers from last time and velocities went up even more. 49 grains of H4350 and a 139 grain Hornady with a Rem 9 1/2 averaged 3034 and itty bitty groups. 48 grains and a 154 Hornady averaged 2925 and itty bitty groups. There were no pressure signs in any manner whatsoever that I could tell. But, dang, that is 200 fps faster than what most of you guys are saying you get with comparable loads. I had a chronograph like that once. It was the first model green Chrony, about 25 years ago. I found then when you put a bullet right through the middle of it, it never reads high again. John Well, it must have a special 7x57 feature because it reads true with everything else.

Re: 7x57 again... AussieGunWriter #3854535 03/02/10
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,190 West Slope of Colorado A alpinecrick Campfire Ranger
alpinecrick Campfire Ranger A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,190 West Slope of Colorado	Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter I had a chronograph like that once. It was the first model green Chrony, about 25 years ago. I found then when you put a bullet right through the middle of it, it never reads high again. John My green Chrony has been gathering dust under my loading bench for almost 20 years now........... The PACT is somewhere out in my dad's alfalfa field. If they hadn't stopped making the metalized-paper screens for my Custom Chronograph, I'd still be using it. Loved my M35. But when it became apparent Oehler wasn't going to be supporting them much longer, and prices for the Oehlers reached bodaciously ridiculous levels, I sold it and bought a CED M2, a new Leupy VX-II, and still had money left over...... Casey Casey Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.

Re: 7x57 again... alpinecrick #3854663 03/02/10
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,567 WY & FL oldman1942 Campfire Tracker
oldman1942 Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,567 WY & FL	IMO if your load's velocity exceed those listed in Hornady's book (who lists 7x57 loads for modern action)you might be playing with fire. Of course you rifle could have a loose bore too. 3000 fps w/a 140 is getting into 7x61 territory that is a lot bigger case built for a lot stronger rifle (Schultz & Larsen) than a lot of ex miliary Mauser 98s.

Re: 7x57 again... oldman1942 #3854682 03/02/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	Allegedly, (the source being non other than JB) 2900 with the 139 Hornady is easily doable and completely safe in most rifles...so it isn't that hot. But, I'm not saying that I'm going to keep it up over 3000. I'm going to get it down to around 2900 and leave it at that. I was merely making the point that this particular rifle seems to get crazy velocities. And, of course, then again 3000 with that bullet and a 7x57 may not be that hot. The Hodgdon website shows just over 2900 for 50 compressed grains of H4350 in the 7mm-08. With a little more case capacity, a 7x57 should do a little more than that. Last edited by Cossatotjoe; 03/02/10.

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Re: 7x57 again... Cossatotjoe #3854807 03/02/10
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,249 Cheyenne, Wy Fotis Campfire Ranger
Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,249 Cheyenne, Wy	If we load the 7x57 with the same pressures as the 30-06 (which is considerably lower than the 308 or 270 Win) this is what we get... Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser Bullet : .284, 139, Hornady SP 2820 Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch or 78.00 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 % These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window. C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Norma MRP 110.0 57.3 3.71 3005 97.0 57930 12500 1.056 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S365 107.2 53.2 3.45 2992 100.0 60000 10918 1.050 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4350 104.1 51.7 3.35 2967 98.6 60000 11352 1.043 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Hunter 104.5 53.9 3.49 2966 98.3 60000 11493 1.050 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 56.4 3.66 2965 93.6 59219 11998 1.044 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-17 96.1 50.3 3.26 2965 99.9 60000 11008 1.041 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 760 98.6 52.1 3.38 2958 97.6 60000 11450 1.054 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-19 109.0 54.4 3.53 2954 95.8 60000 11587 1.047 ! Near Maximum ! Norma URP 104.0 51.4 3.33 2953 99.4 60000 11144 1.057 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP19 ~approximation 104.1 51.4 3.33 2953 99.4 60000 11141 1.057 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4350 108.2 51.7 3.35 2951 99.4 60000 11151 1.071 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N550 101.0 51.5 3.34 2951 99.3 60000 11257 1.062 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4350 106.7 51.0 3.31 2950 98.0 60000 11242 1.049 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP14 ~approximation 109.7 54.8 3.55 2946 95.7 60000 11494 1.047 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2209 108.0 53.6 3.48 2946 95.5 60000 11465 1.042 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot BigGame 97.0 50.0 3.24 2937 99.9 60000 10778 1.057 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4831 109.2 52.2 3.38 2936 99.5 60000 10925 1.065 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 11 97.1 50.1 3.24 2935 99.9 60000 10763 1.057 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H414 96.0 51.1 3.31 2932 97.5 60000 11248 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4895 95.6 46.2 2.99 2929 100.0 60000 10144 1.042 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N560 110.0 56.1 3.64 2928 92.2 55155 12184 1.082 Bofors RP4 ~approximation 106.5 53.2 3.45 2927 95.5 60000 11241 1.048 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 204 103.2 53.2 3.45 2927 95.5 60000 11241 1.048 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA4 106.5 53.2 3.45 2927 95.5 60000 11241 1.048 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2213 110.0 55.5 3.60 2925 93.0 57762 11749 1.056 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S385 109.3 55.2 3.58 2923 96.9 60000 11178 1.064 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA11 94.3 47.1 3.05 2914 99.8 60000 10609 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-15 94.3 47.1 3.05 2914 99.8 60000 10609 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP11 ~approximation 94.3 47.1 3.05 2914 99.8 60000 10609 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 203B 94.8 47.3 3.07 2912 99.9 60000 10539 1.067 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA15 110.0 55.5 3.60 2909 94.6 54344 11902 1.092 Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 55.5 3.60 2909 94.6 54344 11902 1.092 Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 55.5 3.60 2909 94.6 54344 11902 1.092 Hodgdon H4831 SC 109.7 55.4 3.59 2909 93.0 60000 11169 1.047 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon BL-C2 89.2 48.6 3.15 2909 100.0 60000 10389 1.069 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 51.3 3.33 2907 100.0 58830 10315 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 203 old 96.3 48.6 3.15 2907 100.0 60000 10397 1.078 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 748 86.7 46.6 3.02 2904 100.0 60000 10034 1.062 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H380 95.7 48.8 3.16 2902 99.1 60000 10681 1.070 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R903 98.5 48.6 3.15 2901 100.0 60000 10320 1.078 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester Supreme 780 107.1 56.4 3.65 2900 95.4 60000 10932 1.050 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4320 96.3 47.3 3.07 2898 99.9 60000 10231 1.052 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 58.4 3.78 2897 89.9 54135 12051 1.095 Lovex-S0701 103.2 51.0 3.30 2897 97.7 60000 10836 1.071 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S355 98.4 48.1 3.12 2893 100.0 60000 10304 1.074 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 516 92.2 49.0 3.18 2893 99.1 60000 10539 1.062 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R904 107.1 52.7 3.42 2889 94.2 60000 10854 1.053 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 9 92.0 47.4 3.07 2889 99.9 60000 10257 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 3031 93.9 43.8 2.84 2885 100.0 60000 9522 1.069 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 507 88.6 46.2 2.99 2879 100.0 60000 9966 1.065 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0651 101.8 49.7 3.22 2878 98.6 60000 10500 1.072 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot TAC 86.2 46.1 2.99 2878 100.0 60000 9943 1.065 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2520 91.3 47.0 3.04 2877 100.0 60000 9752 1.082 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2208 96.6 46.8 3.03 2876 99.7 60000 10191 1.058 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon VARGET 96.9 46.8 3.03 2876 99.7 60000 10191 1.058 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S321 86.9 46.7 3.03 2875 100.0 60000 9977 1.071 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4064 100.5 46.9 3.04 2874 100.0 60000 9744 1.099 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S341 90.3 48.5 3.14 2873 99.9 60000 10011 1.065 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4895 96.8 46.8 3.03 2872 100.0 60000 9676 1.059 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N530 87.8 44.1 2.86 2870 100.0 60000 9844 1.064 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0621 95.3 46.3 3.00 2870 100.0 60000 9890 1.075 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R907 100.4 49.2 3.19 2869 96.9 60000 10554 1.068 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4064 97.5 46.0 2.98 2869 99.8 60000 10020 1.062 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4007 SSC 97.2 49.2 3.19 2869 96.9 60000 10546 1.068 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 201 88.4 45.1 2.92 2860 100.0 60000 9830 1.079 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H335 82.8 45.1 2.92 2857 100.0 60000 9507 1.068 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N540 94.0 47.5 3.07 2856 100.0 60000 9643 1.072 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N150 103.6 48.8 3.16 2855 100.0 60000 9669 1.071 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 10 82.4 44.0 2.85 2855 100.0 60000 9469 1.069 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 202 91.7 45.1 2.92 2855 100.0 60000 9491 1.073 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan Sp 7 84.6 45.3 2.94 2854 100.0 60000 9613 1.084 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 508 82.3 44.0 2.85 2854 100.0 60000 9457 1.069 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R902 94.1 45.3 2.94 2851 100.0 60000 9713 1.080 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2495 93.5 44.1 2.86 2851 100.0 60000 9361 1.105 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N140 99.7 47.8 3.10 2847 100.0 60000 9607 1.067 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2219 82.4 42.5 2.75 2847 100.0 60000 9225 1.064 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H322 87.7 42.5 2.75 2847 100.0 60000 9225 1.064 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2460 85.6 45.9 2.97 2845 100.0 60000 9515 1.085 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot X-Terminator 80.7 43.2 2.80 2840 100.0 60000 9247 1.070 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2230 84.3 45.1 2.92 2835 100.0 60000 9375 1.081 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D0832 86.5 45.5 2.95 2834 100.0 60000 8994 1.073 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R905 110.0 54.5 3.53 2833 91.5 52605 11245 1.111 Rottweil R901 90.3 42.8 2.78 2832 100.0 60000 9332 1.089 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0601 91.7 44.5 2.89 2831 99.9 60000 9566 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2210 83.6 43.1 2.79 2829 100.0 60000 9325 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D0731 84.1 44.7 2.90 2827 100.0 60000 9389 1.068 ! Near Maximum ! Nitrochemie A/S 0300 79.5 40.7 2.64 2827 100.0 60000 8901 1.074 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D0733 83.9 44.6 2.89 2825 100.0 60000 9303 1.071 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N135 99.9 45.2 2.93 2825 100.0 60000 8924 1.080 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 110.0 58.8 3.81 2823 91.1 51054 11691 1.118 Hodgdon Benchmark 89.0 43.8 2.84 2822 100.0 60000 9273 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! ADI BM2 81.9 43.5 2.82 2821 100.0 60000 9249 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2206 91.1 45.0 2.91 2820 100.0 60000 9412 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2700 98.2 50.6 3.28 2819 96.6 60000 9928 1.072 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester WXR 110.0 54.3 3.52 2818 92.9 49450 11549 1.141 Alliant Reloder-12 87.6 44.6 2.89 2817 100.0 60000 8997 1.069 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2206H 90.2 45.1 2.92 2814 99.9 60000 9375 1.062 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2200 81.2 41.2 2.67 2814 100.0 60000 9037 1.064 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 12 110.0 58.6 3.80 2814 91.1 50551 11642 1.123 PB Clermont PCL 517 110.0 58.6 3.80 2807 90.8 50272 11623 1.126 Alliant Reloder-10x 85.2 40.1 2.60 2796 100.0 60000 8676 1.082 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S335 91.8 44.8 2.91 2788 100.0 60000 8773 1.082 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2015 86.7 41.9 2.71 2788 100.0 60000 8602 1.087 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 110.0 53.4 3.46 2786 90.9 52447 10706 1.113 SF-033 fl 81.8 41.7 2.70 2783 100.0 60000 8456 1.093 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 1680 72.3 38.8 2.52 2773 100.0 60000 8451 1.066 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 200 77.2 39.9 2.58 2771 100.0 60000 8453 1.096 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 77.2 39.9 2.58 2771 100.0 60000 8453 1.096 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4198 82.6 38.7 2.51 2770 100.0 60000 8386 1.060 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 110.0 53.4 3.46 2770 89.9 48275 11224 1.148 Vihtavuori N133 93.5 42.7 2.77 2768 100.0 60000 8348 1.073 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AP 2214 110.0 57.0 3.69 2763 90.0 50402 11044 1.128 Vihtavuori N165 110.0 54.3 3.52 2763 94.2 51102 10405 1.132 IMR 4198 85.0 38.0 2.47 2754 100.0 60000 8108 1.065 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N160 110.0 52.7 3.41 2753 92.1 52500 10210 1.121 Vihtavuori N130 88.1 41.1 2.67 2751 100.0 60000 8233 1.080 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 5744 73.4 34.3 2.22 2751 100.0 60000 8279 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 54.6 3.54 2748 95.4 44669 11492 1.190 Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser Bullet : .284, 154, Hornady SP 2830 Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch or 78.00 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 % These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window. C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Norma MRP 108.8 55.9 3.63 2904 98.4 60000 12467 1.088 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N560 110.0 55.4 3.59 2872 95.0 59409 12431 1.093 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 SSC 108.3 54.9 3.55 2854 95.4 60000 12019 1.084 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 54.8 3.55 2849 96.9 58656 12069 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 54.8 3.55 2849 96.9 58656 12069 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA15 110.0 54.8 3.55 2849 96.9 58656 12069 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 57.6 3.74 2848 93.0 58545 12361 1.104 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S365 104.7 51.3 3.33 2841 100.0 60000 10629 1.102 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2213 109.1 54.4 3.52 2837 95.2 60000 11871 1.085 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4350 101.9 50.0 3.24 2828 99.3 60000 11164 1.093 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Hunter 102.3 52.1 3.37 2827 99.1 60000 11318 1.100 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-17 94.1 48.6 3.15 2823 100.0 60000 10742 1.090 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-19 106.8 52.6 3.41 2821 97.0 60000 11496 1.095 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 760 96.5 50.3 3.26 2820 98.5 60000 11285 1.103 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2209 106.0 52.0 3.37 2817 96.8 60000 11393 1.089 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP14 ~approximation 107.5 53.0 3.43 2814 97.0 60000 11408 1.096 ! Near Maximum ! Norma URP 101.8 49.6 3.22 2811 99.8 60000 10910 1.107 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP19 ~approximation 101.8 49.6 3.22 2811 99.8 60000 10907 1.107 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4350 104.4 49.3 3.19 2811 98.8 60000 11068 1.099 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N550 98.8 49.8 3.22 2810 99.8 60000 11032 1.112 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4350 105.7 49.9 3.23 2809 99.8 60000 10905 1.123 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H414 93.9 49.3 3.20 2796 98.4 60000 11090 1.113 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA4 104.4 51.5 3.34 2795 96.7 60000 11157 1.097 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 204 101.1 51.5 3.34 2795 96.7 60000 11157 1.097 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP4 ~approximation 104.4 51.5 3.34 2795 96.7 60000 11157 1.097 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4831 106.8 50.4 3.27 2795 99.9 60000 10689 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot BigGame 94.8 48.3 3.13 2793 100.0 60000 10507 1.107 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 11 95.0 48.3 3.13 2792 100.0 60000 10493 1.108 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S385 107.1 53.4 3.46 2790 97.9 60000 11059 1.114 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 SC 107.7 53.7 3.48 2784 94.6 60000 11155 1.094 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 110.0 58.1 3.76 2784 94.4 55106 11999 1.126 IMR 4895 93.5 44.6 2.89 2781 100.0 60000 9862 1.093 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 108.2 49.9 3.23 2779 100.0 60000 10063 1.105 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R905 110.0 53.8 3.49 2777 94.3 56726 11479 1.123 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 12 110.0 57.9 3.75 2775 94.4 54562 11949 1.131 Winchester Supreme 780 105.1 54.6 3.54 2773 96.7 60000 10877 1.099 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-15 92.3 45.5 2.95 2771 100.0 60000 10346 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA11 92.3 45.5 2.95 2771 100.0 60000 10346 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP11 ~approximation 92.3 45.5 2.95 2771 100.0 60000 10346 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 203B 92.7 45.7 2.96 2769 100.0 60000 10261 1.118 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 517 110.0 57.9 3.75 2769 94.2 54254 11939 1.134 Hodgdon BL-C2 87.3 46.9 3.04 2764 100.0 60000 10114 1.120 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H380 93.6 47.2 3.06 2763 99.7 60000 10470 1.120 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester WXR 110.0 53.6 3.48 2763 95.6 53329 11768 1.153 Lovex-S0701 101.0 49.3 3.19 2763 98.6 60000 10684 1.121 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 203 old 94.2 46.9 3.04 2762 100.0 60000 10114 1.129 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R904 105.0 51.0 3.31 2760 95.6 60000 10793 1.102 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R903 96.3 47.0 3.04 2757 100.0 60000 10036 1.129 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 748 84.8 45.0 2.92 2756 100.0 60000 9755 1.114 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4320 94.2 45.7 2.96 2756 100.0 60000 9971 1.102 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 516 90.3 47.4 3.07 2756 99.6 60000 10339 1.112 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S355 96.3 46.4 3.01 2751 100.0 60000 10030 1.124 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 9 90.0 45.8 2.97 2747 100.0 60000 9999 1.113 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0651 99.7 48.1 3.12 2742 99.3 60000 10324 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R907 98.4 47.6 3.09 2737 97.9 60000 10429 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4007 SSC 95.3 47.7 3.09 2736 97.9 60000 10422 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon VARGET 94.9 45.3 2.93 2736 99.9 60000 9963 1.108 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2208 94.6 45.3 2.93 2736 99.9 60000 9963 1.108 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 507 86.7 44.6 2.89 2734 100.0 60000 9698 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot TAC 84.3 44.5 2.88 2733 100.0 60000 9676 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S341 88.4 46.9 3.04 2733 100.0 60000 9761 1.115 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 3031 91.6 42.2 2.74 2732 100.0 60000 9249 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S321 85.0 45.1 2.92 2731 100.0 60000 9715 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2520 89.2 45.3 2.94 2730 100.0 60000 9481 1.133 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4064 95.5 44.5 2.88 2729 100.0 60000 9776 1.113 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 110.0 52.7 3.41 2727 93.6 56183 10943 1.127 Hodgdon H4895 94.8 45.2 2.93 2727 100.0 60000 9422 1.110 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0621 93.2 44.7 2.90 2726 100.0 60000 9619 1.127 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N530 86.0 42.6 2.76 2726 100.0 60000 9575 1.115 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4064 98.1 45.2 2.93 2725 100.0 60000 9468 1.151 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 110.0 52.7 3.41 2721 93.2 51801 11517 1.160 ADI AP 2214 110.0 56.3 3.65 2720 93.4 54046 11362 1.138 Norma 201 86.6 43.6 2.83 2716 100.0 60000 9563 1.130 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N150 101.4 47.2 3.06 2713 100.0 60000 9426 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N540 92.0 45.9 2.97 2711 100.0 60000 9407 1.123 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H335 81.0 43.6 2.82 2710 100.0 60000 9258 1.119 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan Sp 7 82.7 43.8 2.84 2710 100.0 60000 9345 1.135 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R902 92.1 43.8 2.84 2709 100.0 60000 9448 1.131 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 202 89.7 43.5 2.82 2708 100.0 60000 9239 1.125 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 10 80.6 42.5 2.75 2708 100.0 60000 9214 1.120 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 508 80.6 42.5 2.76 2707 100.0 60000 9202 1.121 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N140 97.6 46.3 3.00 2706 100.0 60000 9360 1.118 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N165 110.0 53.6 3.48 2703 96.6 55081 10547 1.146 Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 53.9 3.49 2701 97.9 48057 11652 1.200 Accurate 2460 83.8 44.3 2.87 2701 100.0 60000 9252 1.137 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2495 91.2 42.5 2.76 2700 100.0 60000 9089 1.158 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2219 80.6 41.0 2.66 2698 100.0 60000 8973 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H322 85.7 41.0 2.66 2698 100.0 60000 8973 1.116 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2230 82.5 43.6 2.82 2692 100.0 60000 9118 1.132 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot X-Terminator 79.0 41.7 2.70 2692 100.0 60000 8997 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0601 89.9 43.1 2.79 2692 100.0 60000 9325 1.113 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2700 96.3 49.0 3.18 2690 97.7 60000 9826 1.121 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N160 110.0 52.0 3.37 2689 94.6 56226 10395 1.137 Lovex-D0731 82.4 43.3 2.80 2687 100.0 60000 9136 1.118 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R901 88.3 41.4 2.68 2686 100.0 60000 9071 1.140 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D0832 84.6 43.9 2.85 2686 100.0 60000 8750 1.126 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2210 81.9 41.7 2.70 2686 100.0 60000 9077 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D0733 82.1 43.1 2.80 2683 100.0 60000 9051 1.122 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2206 89.3 43.5 2.82 2681 100.0 60000 9173 1.113 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Benchmark 87.2 42.3 2.74 2680 100.0 60000 9030 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! ADI BM2 80.2 42.1 2.73 2679 100.0 60000 9006 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2206H 88.5 43.6 2.83 2676 100.0 60000 9142 1.112 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N135 97.6 43.6 2.83 2676 100.0 60000 8682 1.133 ! Near Maximum ! Nitrochemie A/S 0300 77.7 39.3 2.55 2675 100.0 60000 8649 1.127 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-12 85.7 43.1 2.79 2671 100.0 60000 8767 1.121 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2200 79.6 39.8 2.58 2669 100.0 60000 8793 1.115 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-10x 83.3 38.8 2.51 2646 100.0 60000 8436 1.135 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S335 89.9 43.3 2.81 2645 100.0 60000 8552 1.134 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2015 84.8 40.4 2.62 2640 100.0 60000 8366 1.140 ! Near Maximum ! SF-033 fl 79.8 40.2 2.61 2631 100.0 60000 8217 1.148 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 1680 70.8 37.5 2.43 2626 100.0 60000 8225 1.119 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4198 80.9 37.5 2.43 2624 100.0 60000 8158 1.112 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N133 91.5 41.3 2.68 2622 100.0 60000 8132 1.126 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 75.4 38.5 2.49 2622 100.0 60000 8216 1.149 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 200 75.4 38.5 2.49 2622 100.0 60000 8216 1.149 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4198 83.1 36.8 2.38 2606 100.0 60000 7889 1.118 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N130 86.3 39.8 2.58 2605 100.0 60000 8020 1.133 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 5744 71.9 33.1 2.15 2603 100.0 60000 8065 1.117 ! Near Maximum ! Kazan Sunar 308W 82.3 39.7 2.57 2602 100.0 60000 8001 1.133 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder- 7 78.6 37.5 2.43 2598 100.0 60000 7955 1.135 ! Near Maximum ! Norma MRP 2 110.0 54.2 3.51 2598 91.1 43119 11467 1.269 Accurate 3100 110.0 51.3 3.32 2597 97.0 47483 10375 1.251 ADI AR 2207 78.7 36.3 2.35 2583 100.0 60000 7794 1.139 ! Near Maximum ! https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

Re: 7x57 again... Fotis #3855630 03/03/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	Thanks, that is as I expected. Those loads are a little hot, but the really unusual thing is that I seem to get there with less powder than most do. I'm just going to back down a bit to 46 or 47 grains and run it there if I can get the accuracy I want.

Re: 7x57 again... Cossatotjoe #3856241 03/03/10
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 7,074 A AussieGunWriter Campfire Tracker
AussieGunWriter Campfire Tracker A Joined: May 2005 Posts: 7,074	I am on my second Oehler 35P. Hopefully it will last a while yet. Ken Oehler reported, I think on the fire, here, that it was the obsolete technology applied to the printer aspect that caused these chronograpnhs to become obsolete, not the actual screens or coverter box. JW When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.

Re: 7x57 again... AussieGunWriter #3856915 03/03/10
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 827 South Otago, New Zealand VonGruff Campfire Regular
VonGruff Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 827 South Otago, New Zealand	I have held off posting as my 120gn GS HV bullet is lighter than the 139-140gn weights you are talking about but I get 3237fps over 51gn BL-C2 and Fed 215. Was watching the velocity gain per powder increment and stopped when the increase percentages changed. Get exceptional accuracy and performance. Von Gruff. Von Gruff. Exodus 20:1-17 Acts 4:10-12

Re: 7x57 again... Fotis #3858046 03/03/10
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism B bigwhoop Campfire Ranger
bigwhoop Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism	Boy, that's a long day at the range! Just saying.... My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.

Re: 7x57 again... Cossatotjoe #3859388 03/04/10
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 170 NW Alabama R rcpigg65 Campfire Member
rcpigg65 Campfire Member R Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 170 NW Alabama	I shoot that same load in my browning a bolt 7mm08 with a 22 " barrel and get around 2850 . I get good results on our small southern deer with it but am not sure how it would hold up at your velocities , especially on a close shoulder shot .

Re: 7x57 again... rcpigg65 #3859796 03/04/10
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe OP Campfire Tracker
OP Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264	I've read about them over the years in the gun rags. I would appear that I have one those rifles with the mythical, fast barrel.

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