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I have a savage 99 in 303 SAV. that I'm going to start working up loads for. I was wondering what loads others are using and has any body tried Hornady 160 gr flex tip bullets with it.
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Howdy, I have had pretty good results with the following loads. The jacketed loads were loaded in Norma cases and CCI 200 primers. Cast bullets in reformed W-W 220 swift cases CCI200's. 150 Speer flat nose, 32.0 H335 for a little over 2200fps. 180 Rem. round nose, 29.0 3031 for 2046fps, pretty warm load work up carefully. 125 Sierra spitzer, 33.0 4064 for 2200fps, mild but accurate. All cast loads are with 160gr gas check linotype bullets. 20.0gr AA5744 for 1833fps. very accurate. 17.0 SR4759 for 1718fps. also very accurate. Never tried the 160 leverevolution bullet probably never will. In my rifle 150 and heavier spitzer bullets have to be seated very deep in the case just so a loaded round can be extracted. So I have avoided them and stayed with the round and flat nose bullets.
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Thanks quarterboredave, I have the components on hand for a couple of the your loads with jacketed bullets. I'll work my way up to those receipes and see if my gun likes either of them. The reason I asked about the flex tip bullets is they were made for 30 30 velocities and I wound up with a box of them in a deal for some other reloading components I was after.
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Mine shoot most any 170gr bullet very well, and H4895 and IMR4895 seem to work fine. Took a 1920 1899SR out hunting with the 30-30 170gr Nosler Partitions a couple years ago, but never got a shot.
I also stick with FN or RN bullets, tried spitzers but hit the same thing that Dave did with spitzers pushing too far into the case. If you want spitzers, you might try a shorter/lighter bullet in the 125gr or 130gr range that won't push so deep.
Over in the Savage Collectors forum we use the same loading data for our 303 Savages as for the 30-30, just work your way up carefully. The few modern published loads for the 303 Savage are unnecessarily lowballed, considering the actions and barrels in the 1899's were identical for 30-30's and 303 Savage, and the 303 Savage has more case capacity. Just use the same .308 bullets for the 303 Savage as you would for a 30-30.
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I also have a .303 and I think it is a very nice little rifle. It's an old carbine that someone refinished and reblued so it's just a shooter. It's a handy little rifle and I would like to kill a deer with it. I have found that it's not as accurate as most of my 99's so maybe I need to work with it more. The blunt bullets seem to work a lot better than the spitzers. I normally use 180 gr. round nose type bullets or the 170 gr. 30-30s and the accuracy is fine for hunting. The spitzers usually give me a much larger group. I really need to work with this rifle more and tune it up. I bought it with an old Banner low power straight tube variable the looks neat but did not adjust properly. I use .30-30 data for mine and although I have not chronographed it, I suspect it gives me around 2000 fps with most of the loads. I don't think this is a rifle or load that needs to be hot rodded. BT
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Here are 44 loads for the .303 savage taken from Handloader 115.
Warning! Notes: Handloader Issue 115 Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) Alliant 2400 27.0 3,000 Remarks: maximum 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) Alliant 2400 24.4 2,840 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) Alliant Unique 15.2 2,590 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) Alliant Unique 11.0 2,120 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) Alliant HiVel #2 38.0 3,100 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) Alliant HiVel #2 31.0 2,445 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) IMR IMR-3031 38.0 2,500 80 Jacketed (.32-20 Hollowpoint) IMR IMR-3031 33.0 2,175 110 Jacketed Alliant 2400 22.5 2,400 Remarks: maximum 110 Jacketed Alliant 2400 22.0 2,350 110 Jacketed Alliant 2400 17.0 1,940 110 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 34.0 2,540 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 110 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 26.0 1,990 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 110 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 36.0 2,330 110 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 30.0 1,940 150 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 31.5 2,300 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 150 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 31.0 2,400 150 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 29.0 2,050 170 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 30.0 2,200 170 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 28.0 1,940 180 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 30.5 2,150 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 180 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 25.0 1,950 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 180 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 32.0 2,200 180 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 29.0 2,000 190 Jacketed Alliant 2400 19.0 1,800 190 Jacketed Alliant 2400 17.9 1,660 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-4198 27.5 2,000 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-4198 20.0 1,498 190 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 30.0 2,000 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed Alliant HiVel #2 25.0 1,720 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 33.5 2,090 Remarks: from B&M book 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 33.0 2,040 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-3031 30.0 1,840 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-4320 36.5 2,145 Remarks: top load in all books 190 Jacketed IMR IMR-4320 32.0 1,850 190 Jacketed Alliant Unique 11.3 1,390 Remarks: from B&M book 190 Jacketed Alliant Unique 8.0 1,012 190 Jacketed Alliant No. 80 14.0 1,250 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed Alliant No. 80 10.0 765 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed Alliant Lightning 25.8 1,990 Remarks: formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed Alliant Lightning 24.0 2,065 Remarks: from Ideal No 38; max.; formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed Alliant Lightning 12.0 900 Remarks: from B&M book; formerly Hercules; powder out of production 190 Jacketed Alliant Sharpshooter 17.6 1,695 190 Jacketed Alliant Sharpshooter 13.0 1,335 Some good loads here and some are for powder which is no longer available.
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Here are a few more from Handloader 56.
Warning! As a practical matter, loading data for the .30-30 and .32 Winchester Special may be safely used in the .303 Savage. (Handloader Issue #56) Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) 200 Speer SP RN IMR IMR-4320 34.0 2,000 Remarks: Energy: 1,776 fp 190 Winchester IMR IMR-4320 36.0 2,100 Remarks: Energy: 1,862 fp 180 Speer SP IMR IMR-3031 29.0 2,150 Remarks: Energy: 1,847 fp 150 Speer PSP IMR IMR-4895 36.0 2,350 Remarks: Energy: 1,839 fp 110 Hornady PSP IMR IMR-4895 38.0 2,650 Remarks: Energy: 1,715 fp 169 Lead (311413) Alliant 2400 15.0 1,550 Remarks: Energy: 901 fp 169 Lead (311413) Alliant 2400 16.0 1,650 Remarks: Energy: 1,021 fp 169 Lead (311413) Alliant Unique 7.0 1,200 Remarks: Energy: 539 fp 169 Lead (311413) Alliant Unique 10.5 1,550 Remarks: Energy: 901 fp 185 Lead (311407) Alliant Unique 7.0 1,200 Remarks: Energy: 590 fp 185 Lead (311407) Alliant Unique 10.5 1,500 Remarks: Energy: 925 fp
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Thanks guys, lots of info here. Blowtorch, mine is a carbine also. I'm just looking for enough accuracy to take deer out to about 100 yrds with tang sights. Once I collect more brass I'll fine tune a load for it.
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Which style of carbine? Had my barrel band out for the first time this week, could get hooked on this sucker. It's the one on the right wearing a Redfield peep, and it's in 303 Savage.
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Calhoun, It's a pre barrel band carbine from 1927. It's just a shooter. I picked up for a project to work on. Don't see many 303's very often and I like old chamberings, I've been told I'm an oddball and I'm ok with that. Nice looking bunch of savages you've got. I've only got 3 99s so far, a 300 R, 250 F and this little 303, I'm saving my pennies for a 22 high power next but if a nicer 303 comes along I my have to rethink my plan. To many toys , not enough money , other wise my house wood be wall to wall guns and reloading equipment ( my wife seems to think that's already true).
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Polecat, Forgot to mention I did run a few 125gr. Sierra spitzers through my 303 and they worked just fine as far as over all length. Accuracy was good as far as I went and that was a mild load of 3031 giving a little under 2300fps. For what ever reason I wasn't real keen on useing that bullet at that time just tried them to see if the spitzer profile on the shorter bullet would work through the action.
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Lee, it starts with just one or two.. the problem is in stopping. Good luck!
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Nice Group! Of guns I mean Calhoun. I always wanted a 99 since I was a little kid. My Dad bought me a plastic model kit of a 99 and I put it together with airplane glue from the parts. Had a little gun rack with it and the little lever even worked. It was about 8 or 10 inches long and I dreamed about having one some day.
Got my first one, a .300 when I was a gun dealer at a gun show from and old man. I don't remember which model it is but he had it since it was new and it had a pad added. It also had and old Redfield 4x scope mounted and I traded him something for it that I don't remember. He told me that it was the most accurate rifle he ever shot. It stayed in my safe for 5 or so years and one day I took it to the range with a box of factory ammo. First three shots made a neat little triangle all about 3/4" apart. I put it back up and haven't shot it since. I guess he was right. Some of my bolt guns don't shoot as good as this one.
Now I have a .308, .303, and .22 High Power. I like odd stuff too. I guess we are all weird. Good luck guys.
PS. Polecat, It seems to take a lot of pennies to buy a .22 HP these days!
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PS. Polecat, It seems to take a lot of pennies to buy a .22 HP these days![/quote]
I know what you mean, but I keep hoping someone will want sell one cheap because he can't find any ammo. The problem is so dang many differant models of the 99, I'm temped to spend my money before one comes along.
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Polecat, I think I gave about $650 shipping and all from a dealer in Arizona about a year ago. It ain't no beauty but it shoots pretty good. Came with an old scope that adjusts in the bases with no internal adjustments. I use that S & B (I think?) ammo. that I can buy from internet dealers. Got some brass, dies and bullets, but I need to stock up on the .228" bullets before they quit making them. As far as I know, this is the only caliber that uses them. If I could remember how to post pictures, I'd put some on here. Dee
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Polecat, those pre-barrel band 99H's are a hidden jewel. Didn't think much of them (no schnabel forearm, ya know) until I picked one up last year, and was amazed at how light it was and how easy it swung up to the shoulder. And thanks for the compliments, guys. These clean up nice, but they're just shooters. The R has lots of character marks from being hunted, the F is a restore and the bluing is horrible and the barrel is cut, the 99T has buttstock problems and is d&t.. the 99H is actually turning out pretty good, the stock was seriously dried out when I got it. Anyway, I leave the collector quality to other folks. On 22HP's, it took me several years to find one that was acceptable price (wasn't cheap tho), but they are fun little guns to shoot. Mine's not bad for 92 years old.. 85% maybe?
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In both my .303's 33 gr. Reloder 15, 170 gr Remington SPCL and a case formed from Remington .30-40 brass gives excellent case life, accuracy and performs well on game.
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Great pic Huntaria! Thanks, BT
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Here's my .303: I guess it could not be modified any futher and still be a 99. Guess the guy could have added a pad though! I love to shoot it and reload for it anyway. BT
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Thanks! Its an 1899 built in 1916. I wouldn't be too surprised if the sling wasn't of similar vintage. Anyway, these old guns shoot.
You have a very nice rifle too! What year was it built?
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