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Originally Posted by longjohn
The one in the gardens.


Ah. The one that is "full African"? That's the Ingwe Special. Look closely and you'll see that it's actually an XTR, meaning that it's a push feed. But it does shoot!

I'm happy to hear that your Zastava shoots the 154s into little groups. Which 4350 are you using (IMR or H)? What's the rest of the recipe? That moderate MV and wouldn't be bad for our southern deer.


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A push feed rifle with a classic African furniture. Well, as long as it shoots. Most of the deer near me are Fallow, and I only shoot to fill my freezer. There's some big hogs though that could benefit from a 7x57 encounter. There are also some good sized Red deer not far away, but the 270 can handle them. My powder is the Australian made ADI 2209. Apparently we sell it to Hogden and they re-badge it as H4350.


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Originally Posted by longjohn
A push feed rifle with a classic African furniture. Well, as long as it shoots. Most of the deer near me are Fallow, and I only shoot to fill my freezer. There's some big hogs though that could benefit from a 7x57 encounter. There are also some good sized Red deer not far away, but the 270 can handle them. My powder is the Australian made ADI 2209. Apparently we sell it to Hogden and they re-badge it as H4350.


Yes, those big hogs will fall to the old 7x57 round, even one launched from an Africanized push feed.

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That's a nice hog Mike, we get them like that as well. You must have belted that one in the cover behind you by the look of the drag marks. I have some 60gn Woodleigh protected points I intend to try on some of them.
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Obviously I meant 160gn Protected points. Just loaded a few to try out with 48.5gn 2213sc/H4831sc


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Looks like I've found a pretty good load for my Zastava 7mm. So far the 139gn Hornady SST is looking really good with 49gn H4350/ADI2209, Norma brass and a CCI LR primer. Average MV over just 3 rounds was 2,764fps and a .6" group at 100. The 160gn Woodleigh's are not too shabby either with 48.5gn H4831sc. This rifle is almost too easy to load for!


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Anyone have any good reduced loads using 100-110 grain bullets and 5744?


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tag for reference, Thanks everyone


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Originally Posted by RevMike
Anyone have any good reduced loads using 100-110 grain bullets and 5744?


how about 4198?

30 grains of either Hodgdon or IMRs...

RL 7 can also be substituted...same 30 grain charge.


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I'll keep that recipe in my book, but don't have any of it on my shelf. But I do have a pound of 5744.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Being you mentioned it, my .223 shoots a smaller one shot group than my .45-70. Gotta be a more accurate round...

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I just found the formula for finding a reduced load using 5744. Basically it's fill the the case with powder until you reach the bottom of a seated bullet. Weigh that charge and multiply by .4. That's the charge. I did that with a fired Hornady .275 case and pushed in a 100 grain Sierra hollow point, loaded to Sierra's recommended COL: 2.875 inches. That gave me 52.6 grains of powder, for a 5744 charge of 21.04 grains. Since the information I have from Accurate shows min and max loads for a 120 grain bullet at 22.4 and 27.5 grains (2000-2275 fps), I think I'll settle on 23.5 grains to start and see how it shoots. The average spread between min and max for all loads provided by Accurate is about 4.5 grains, so they'll be a little wiggle room for accuracy. If nothing else, these should be fun to shoot when getting a little trigger time on the range.


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Rev,

The main reason I don't like using 5744.. and the only reason, it that it comes with a relatively LOUD retort, compared to the other powders when the load is reduced...

I've used it when training younger kids.. Boy Scout Age..

it being cheaper than 5744 is just a bonus...

just passing it on... if that doesn't matter....then you're good to go..

I have used 30 grains of 5744 in my Ruger in 7 x 57, and it was accurate enough... but that was only with 110 and 115 grain Speer HPs...


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Thanks, SF. I did not know that. I know a reduced charge of H4895 gives a hollow boom, sort of like shooting in a long tube. If the 5744 is bothersome I'll give 4198 a try. Any helpful formula for knowing how low a starting charge can be, as with H4895?


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Not going to read the whole thread but somewhere between 46 and 50 grains of H4350 and a 139 or 154 grain Interlock is magic on deer.

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Fifty grains of 4350 for the 139SST and 48.5 for 154Interlock, not excessively quick but very accurate.
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H414 / 760 is the best powder I have ever used in my 7x57. Very accurate. Haven't really worried about the velocity since I bought it for the lack of recoil.


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[quote=Seafire]Rev,

The main reason I don't like using 5744.. and the only reason, it that it comes with a relatively LOUD retort, compared to the other powders when the load is reduced...

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Boy you are right. I loaded 24.3 grains of 5744 behind a 100gr Sierra HP and a CCI 200 primer. It's a pretty accurate load and I even took a little porker with it just to see how it worked on light game. It was a complete pass-through, with the exit wound being about the size of a quarter. But the report is every bit as loud as a full charge. As a matter of fact, I couldn't tell the difference between it and a factory 140 grain Hornady Custom. The only difference is that the recoil is virtually nil. I don't mind the noise but if the 4198 is quieter and cheaper, what's not to like?

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Mike,

I work a lot with boys, via Scouts and I am the only rifle merit badge counselor within our local district...

started playing with the old Speer Manual for reduced loads a long time ago.... and worked up from there...

In about any caliber, I sorta settled on 30 grains of 4198, with all ( just in some cases with real heavy bullets) cases from 243 to 30/06...

RL 7 is also a good substitute or 33 grains of H 322...

IMR 4895 is a great substitute for H 4895 loads... it is as accurate, without all of the idiosyncrasies of H4895...

As your hog also showed, typical varmint bullets with these charges/loads are moving at decent enough velocity, (without too much velocity) to allow these bullets to perform pretty reliably on deer sized game...

Minimal to zero recoil also gives a new or young shooter the confidence to do good shot placement....

Second largest blacktail I have taken here in Oregon, was 210 lbs on the hoof...( when the average is more like 100 to 120 lbs.. the latter being a bigger one)... it was taken with my Model 70, in 7mm Mauser... with a Speer 115 grain HP....

Shot placement was a piece of cake.... and the 115 grain Speer disintegrated within....after plowing a big valley right down the middle of his heart...

I hunt at 30/30 ranges ( as I call them) here locally... 1/2 mile from the house...30/30 speeds is about all one really needs...hence why I also carry these loads often...

dropped a few deer in my yard late season, several years...

Live on one acre in a wooded community....and these sort of loads come in real handy there also...

also allows a lot of trigger time at the range for a reduced cost, and a lot less wear and tear on the rifle barrel...

read an article ( long ago lost and forgotten)... that spoke of barrel life... I remember it stating that the average barrel life on a 30/30 was 20,000 rounds... due to the low powder charge... don't know if that is correct, but I know its a lot more than many cartridges...

and if someone wants to make reduced loads easy as possible...just take 30/30 data for say a 150 grain bullet... start a little lower and work up.. as long as one's bullet doesn't exceed 150 grains.. you are pretty safe...

not scientific, but its worked in my guns... using one's head and working up a little...but 2200 to 2400 fps with about any but the real premium bullets, seems to work pretty darn well at 250 yds or under...

cast bullet manuals are also your friend...older ones seem to have more choices on readily available mid burn rate and quicker powders...


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I am in possession of a 1974 Ruger 77 that is a bit lose of bore. I does not group great , but has a knack for dropping the first shot cold bore on a 1.5 inch orange dot every single time.
I load a 160 gr nosler ahead of IMR 4831, 160 gr sierra bt with same , a 140 gr. nosler partition with H414, and the super plain vanilla load of 48 grs of IMR 4350 with a 150 gr. CoreLokt for 2650 fps.
The last load is the only one I have ever used on game, but killed a raghorn bull at 150 yds. like it was a bigger gun............

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