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Keep the 25/284 a great short action cartridge and ditch the 25/06 IMP...I think the difference is next to none from a hunting standpoint plus you can keep the overall weight down to a minimum...always wanted to build one of these on a short Rem action but as of yet have had other projects in the hopper!!


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Doesn't Barnes offer an 80 grain TTSX for the 25 caliber.

That'd be an easy way 'round the barn in a 25-06.

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SU-I'd have no issue hunting deer/lopes the rest of my life with either of them. We've taken so much game at short to long range with the 6 aught that for me it's awfully tough to beat.

For me, I see that I can shoot end to end on deer/lopes with it and if it'll do that then what else do I need?

4 me the best thing I like about a .270 is for a mtn rifle and a elk/deer rifle in something that's fairly lightweight. If I just hunted deer out west I could use a 6/06 no problemo. If I were to be a deer hunter in the east/midwest etc where the shots were closer I could take a good 243 (with a 100 horn rn) and never look back.

Bottom line, I feel that for the most part we use way more round than's needed. Trucks as well and other things I supose also.

Not sure if that answers your Q or not?

I do love my 6/06 that's for sure.

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oh yeah Mark, thanks.

The 243 Catbird come to mind.

http://www.jarrettrifles.com/calibers.html


I do like a little more caliber with large mule deer over 250 lbs though.


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IME Bob as long as you get any sort of a decent angle out to 500 yds with 250 lb deer I'd not worry one bit.

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Originally Posted by Tejano


But I am also thinking about a 25-06 AI but can't quite decide if it is worth it over the standard.


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IME Bob as long as you get any sort of a decent angle out to 500 yds with 250 lb deer I'd not worry one bit.


I agree, but, that's just it, "chances" are I won't get the angle I need. For trophy deer I hit them where ever and what ever it takes to anchor them.
Won't have time for a finesse shot.

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That's why I was only considering the tougher bullets, even for deer. I'm sure a 95gr BT would be great if I stab it in his lungs, but what about those bad angle shots? If I hunted in open spaces it would likely not matter as much, but around here, he can take 3-4 steps and disappear forever.


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My Dad built a 6mm/06 in '64 and all it is, is a 243 shoulder on a full length 06 case. Has always shot 100 gr. Hornady Inter-locks from the start, shoots flatter than anything we have and has killed more game than anything. Built on a VZ-24 action, 26" barrel, use to use 4831, but is using some old powder he dug up a some gun shop. Barrel errosion was a concern for years, we finally cast the chamber and it looked just fine after 40 years of shooting. Mind you he don't shoot it everyday, but brings it out when a deer of coyote gets out in the middle of his pastures and wants to make a long shot. He's getting up in the years now and his eyes suck, but I wouldn't get in that rifles sites! Its built with a left handed stock, so the cheek piece bites me when I shoot it, so it will not do any us any good when he is gone, so it will be a safe queen. As for fire forming use cases filled with a charge and top with cream of wheat plug with toilet paper and fire form without a bullet!


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SU-this is just me and for how I hunt, where I hunt and such. But when ranges get long I either have the time to get the good angles and or I don't shoot. IMO too many things can go wrong for me with my ability with a gun that I don't wanna take anything but a very good angle especially at the longer ranges.

Once again this is just me but as the range gets longer the room for shooter error gets greater and I want precision at long range. Bad angles, hurry up and shooting and not waiting for a decent angle just isn't in my book. But then again I'm one of those who won't shoot at a fleeing animal in the timber when they're on bad angles either. Been my experience that it's easier to hit something that won't get the job done and or will make getting the job done tough and isn't fair to the animal so I won't do it.

But then again that is just me and my way and all gotta go about this in a manner that works for them.

Guess my point is, if I have a good enough angle to shoot with a bigger gun then I have a good enough angle to shoot with my 6/06.

Just my way and you know me well enough to know I'm not dog piling on you my friend.

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I have a .240Gibbs which is pretty much the same as the 6-06AI, only more. The very accurate load was a 70BT4100. I mention it because this was only a moderate load and the 6-06AI should do that without a problem. Maybe give you some idea about what to expect from heavier stuff.

Addition: Should have also said the barrel is Pacnor 28", 13 twist. This wasn't a wimp load but also not near top end.....4831 powder. The gun now has a 6mmAI Krieger barrel. Used strictly for rockchucks.

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My 1st 6/06 tube cut to 25" would do 3950-4K with IMR 4350 and a 70 NBT. My 2nd barrel won't handle near as much..

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A friend built a 240 Gibbs and to fireform the first lot of brass, he made a stub barrel maybe 6 " long and I fireformed brass while he turned the barrel.

Yes it was at night and had to leave in the morning. He always finished everyones rifles before his own.

He loved the Gibbs.

Go for the 6mm-06.

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JPro -

I'm having a 6mm AI built right now. I had a 6x.284 a few years back. Both with 1-14" twists.

I was told by the shop that coordinated the 6x.284 that I'd only get about 400 rounds of barrel life but they'd be 400 rounds of pure fun. They got the last part right! But at 800 rounds the barrel was still going strong. I believe I could have gotten another 700 rounds out of it. I was shooting primarily 70 grain b-tips at about 3850.

I expect my new 6mm AI to have barrel life pretty comparable to a .220 Swift assuming similar treatment. I figure it'll be going strong long after I really wish it'd give up so I could chamber it for something else yet. smile

Take a look at Sierra's latest, or maybe most recent previous, manual. That's the only 6mm Rem AI data I've seen published.

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I have a savag 110 6-06ai with a 22" barrel that gets 4200 with a 70 grain nbt 4831

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try the speer 87 grain spbt they are the most accrate from my rifle 3 shots one hole.

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I would also look at the 6mm Mach4 to really maximize the concept.
Ross Siegfried built one and wrote about it. I think he got 4,000 fps with the 100gr.

I read that Rocky Gibbs was leery about the 240 but it may just have been due to the powders available then. It was along the lines of pressure excursions like those reported in the 243 but amplified in the Gibbs. Apparently this didn't occur in the 25 or not as much.


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Originally Posted by LASSIE
I have a savag 110 6-06ai with a 22" barrel that gets 4200 with a 70 grain nbt 4831


Dude. Get real.


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Wow at is pretty speedy.

With my 6-284 24" Krieger I get 3805 with 70 BT's. Not an overly hot load but not a lot left on the table.

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