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I've never had a "bad" Ruger,but light ain't their longsuit...especially in this day and age.

The Ti and Montucky were/are tools that much changed over the counter Excellence............

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Its been 20 pages...... somebody might have missed the correct answer grin

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If in a pinch,to use as a parent in FF'ing 25-06AI perhaps............

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243,25.06,308,30.06,6mm,270,7mm-08,7mm rem mag,8mm-06,338-06.

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Of course, I tottally forgot that an AI cartridge is necessary to take game, conventional cartridges are now obsolete. Sorry for my error.


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Originally Posted by podunkkennels
Of course, I tottally forgot that an AI cartridge is necessary to take game, conventional cartridges are now obsolete. Sorry for my error.


A modest barreled 25-06AI scooting 100's to nearly 3600fps,will do some nice things on Critters.

Adding taper and reducing capacity,do not help downrange performance............

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And a standard .270 win pushing 110's upward of 3300 does just fine in my book. Not terribly concerned with taper or capacity, just dead critters.


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A .277 projectile does have its place. A 85 gr. TSX or 95 gr. TTSX from a 6.8 AR is a beautiful thing.

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Originally Posted by podunkkennels
And a standard .270 win pushing 110's upward of 3300 does just fine in my book. Not terribly concerned with taper or capacity, just dead critters.


Open your book and let's see some of those 110's Conquests.

Great time to rub my nose in it................(grin)

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No 110conquest pics yet, got some 130 and 140 victory shots though. The fellows have seen them. I highly doubt my swine photos will get the " oohs and ahhhs" of Northern big game but they are downed game none the less.


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I think many are missing the point!! The question is "what small caliber"...lots of 270 fans are polling in but since it's taken all North American and lots of African game I don't place it in the "SMALL" category.Since I have owned a 6mm REM two 243's and a 257 AI Rob...all can kill effectively at 200yds with good bullets and shot placement....so staying in the perameters of the question I'll take the 6mm because without a doubt "IT" has the edge over the 243 at that range.Not saying the 25 isn't good [it's great] but here again "SMALLER CALIBER"


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I much prefer the 243Win to the 6mm and the 243AI to the 6mmAI.

Nawwww...WAY more than just a preference..........

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Interested to know why ??? since I've shot my 243's for years...have you owned and shot a 6 much?? I've punched lots of paper .. C/graphed both and killed many deer and lopes,and when you push the range of these two out to 200 and beyond the 6 always has the edge in my opinion. Good jawin with ya...FLEM


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OP wanted plain jane, out of the box, no fancy loads... AI's are out as far as he is concerned. Even though I own a 6mm, I would say a 243 is better for this guy. No one makes a 6 anymore, and if he doesnt reload, how easy is ammo gonna be to find?


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By some of the responses the .270 isnt terribly large. There have been many 7 millimeter, .30 caliber and even bigger replies so far. The OP didnt really set a parameter so I guess its up to our interpretation, which we know to be pretty broad. Sorry if the .270 doesnt qualify.


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Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem
Interested to know why ??? since I've shot my 243's for years...have you owned and shot a 6 much?? I've punched lots of paper .. C/graphed both and killed many deer and lopes,and when you push the range of these two out to 200 and beyond the 6 always has the edge in my opinion. Good jawin with ya...FLEM


Launch a 105A-Max at Warp Nine outta a 243AI and get back to me.

The 243AI is 6mmRem case capacity,with a much shorter case length,which allows very nice things in s/a mag confines. I've had numerous 6's and a 6AI,as well as 6-06AI.

Utility? Gimme the 243AI...........

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Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem
I think many are missing the point!! The question is "what small caliber"...lots of 270 fans are polling in but since it's taken all North American and lots of African game I don't place it in the "SMALL" category.Since I have owned a 6mm REM two 243's and a 257 AI Rob...all can kill effectively at 200yds with good bullets and shot placement....so staying in the perameters of the question I'll take the 6mm because without a doubt "IT" has the edge over the 243 at that range.Not saying the 25 isn't good [it's great] but here again "SMALLER CALIBER"



"I'll take the 6mm because without a doubt "it" has an edge over the 243 at that range" Small edge indeed. Same can be said about the 25's over the 6mm's and IMHO the "edge" is greater when comparing 6mm's ve 25's.
I say the best small caliber deer rifle is the 257 Roberts or a 25/06. I just like the heavier slugs available for the 25's,but if a fellow likes the 6mm/243 there is nothing wrong with them at all. Especially for deer. Lots of Bears here in B.C. and I feel a bit more comfortable with 115-120 gr bullets in one of my 25's (Rob & Roy) than I would with a 6mm.
This range of calibers being talked about is my favorite (6mm to lets say 308/30/06 in size)they are accurate and easy to shoot and economical which makes them fun.
I also would like to vote for the7mm/08 which I do not own but plan on rectifying this situation ASAP.

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Cite your rifle and load.

REALLY give that answer some thought,it'll be ugly..............(grin)

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