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No offense meant, Rost. I am referring to those who think that shooting an elephant at 500yrds is sporting. If you want to carry that brick up close and personal, thats your business and more power to ya. Not necessarily the caliber I disagree with, just the though of hunting DG at long ranges. Sorry... I don't think that distance really matters... some days I kill up close.... some days not so close. Too many folks telling others how to do legal things..... IMHO. Its like choice of weapon, animal and so on, how and where you do it, as long as legal, should be your call. One could argue it not "ethical" to shoot elephant with anything other than doubles too I'd think.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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BTW I've shot a few deer with my big 50... still have never seen anything but caliber in and out so far... I have not been able to tag one since I got the Barnes X bullets for it... that will be caliber in, inch out... I suspect...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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They shoot humans with bigger stuff then that. Is a human about deer weight?
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A small calculation shows the 460 Wby compared to the 50 BMG is about like a 30 calibre 180 grainer at 2600 compared to a 338 calibre 260 grainer at 2750 or so.
The SD of the 750 grain 50 calibre is 20% greater than the SD of the 500 grain 460.The SD of the 260 grain 338 is about 20% greater than the 180 grain 308. The 510 bullet is about 20% greater in cross sectional area than the 45 and 338 bullet is about 20% greater in cross sectional area than the 30
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Rost, Not saying its not legal, but it misses the point of a DG hunt. Are you after the trophy, or the experience?
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You are right to the extent that it would not matter to the elephant. Through the lungs at fifty feet or 500 yards is the same to him. It would not be the same to any PH who guided you or any fellow DG hunter to whom you related the expectation or experience. The major difference in hunting DG and simply exterminating it, is in getting close. And that is, in a very real sense, an ethical issue. After all a 30mm chain gun mounted on a land cruiser would be an extremely efficient elephant killer - but not a particularly ethical one. An elephant killed at 50 feet with a .50 BMG would to my mind be an ethical kill - It's just that once one accepts the ethical need to get close, the package necessary for a transportable - stalkable - .50 BMG no longer passes the common sense test.
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Rost, Not saying its not legal, but it misses the point of a DG hunt. Are you after the trophy, or the experience? I suspect its all in everyones minds and not worth the fun of the argument.... I don't get anything out of being close to the game and it being dangerous... I mean I don't have that desire. As close as I have is to shoot a buff with my bow... other than that no itch at all for African stuff. I say that.. I would not mind an Nyala on the wall either. Point I'm getting at though is that each has their own set of desires and I wouldn't want someone telling me I CAN"T get up close and dangerous with an elephant.. as much as I don't want someone telling me I HAVE to get up close. Guess I don't come across all that clear at times. But the experience can be the hunt, the weapon, how close or how far, and so on... many varying experiences can be had.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I suspect its all in everyones minds and not worth the fun of the argument.... I don't get anything out of being close to the game and it being dangerous... I mean I don't have that desire. As close as I have is to shoot a buff with my bow... other than that no itch at all for African stuff. I say that.. I would not mind an Nyala on the wall either.
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Buffalo as a "maybe" for me, otherwise, me too. We were in an archery blind as a previously dart-hunted white rhino bull SLOWLY moved past upwind at maybe 15 yards. I did not like it!
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Of course if Merkel chambered a nice 15 lb double rifle in 50 BMG, well that's a horse of a different color ...  Chuck
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FYI, the 50BMG's operating pressures are way above what is the norm for doubles.
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I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
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Seems to me like the .50 BMG cartridge would be about ideal for loxodonta africana. Has anyone ever used this round for elephant? Why stop there, why not a 105 howitzer
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Ready for Jumbo! Wouldn't it be better practice to move the car a little further away before shooting it? or os this rehearsal for a charge?
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Geez.... WTF did he hit that with... the ones I've shot have been 50 cal in , 50 cal out.... just like a punched hole.... I"ve yet to see that kind of damage. In fact my 50 cal ones have less damage than most average deer rifle rounds... As to the poster who said unethical... WTF is that supposed to mean? F olks need to get off their high arrogant horses. I am thinkin' A-Max, not a solid. BMT
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Hey, why stop at .50? The Rangers use a 90mm recoiless rifle is definately man-portable.  Expat
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Ready for Jumbo! I would use this on deer but it would way overpenetrate!  whelennut
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
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Ready for Jumbo! I would use this on deer but it would way overpenetrate! whelennut Just load up some 600g Woodleigh protected points, they open up to over an inch in diameter and still hold together ... A little much for deer at 2700 fps though ...
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