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I never realize how much of a religious symbol the flag had become, that's interesting.

All flags are symbols. How that symbol is handled reflects entirely on one's view of the thing it symbolizes. Disrespect the symbol, you disrespect the thing it represents. It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with what the definition of a symbol is.

I find it more interesting that I actually had to spell that out for you.

Your last sentence shouldn't come as a shock. By the way, thanks for posting the flag quote. That spelled it out really well and put into words what the majority of us were thinking.

Gladly sir!

I spent many a morning pledging my allegiance to the flag of The United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands....


It seems to me that some people around here do not have a clue what that means...


Amazing that somebody who never grew up reciting that in Canada, was able to grasp it.

I think so.

If it weren't for the US Navy, how would anyone get to see wonderful Fallon, Nevada? You don't know what you're missing. Tim.

We have been at war for almost 9 years now, almost everyone knows someone in the sandbox so I think it is no big secret what being in the military these days is gonna be like!

Hey, I was based at Fallon for two years and loved it. Killed my first Mule Deer in the Desatoya's before it was designated a wilderness area.

Depends entirely on the MOS. Of course, anyone with any semblance of "knowing what the military is like" would know that.

Funny, those in the Army say that about Fort Polk, Louisiana

Oh, you don't have to spell it out to me.

National flags originally were battle flags that enabled the respective soldiers and in the case of navies respective ships to rally around their respective flags. It also allow the fighters to follow the orders of the commanding officers by following the direction of the flag. Also as long as the fighters could see their respective flags they knew the fight was still on. Lose the colors and the fight was over. Before national flags the Warrior King served the same purpose.

Now the national flag has become an almost religious symbol in support of the national government. Now that the national government has become a socialist government in the control of one socialist political party with a Red Team and a Blue Team and seeing as how I'm an anarcho-capitalist who does not support socalism I know longer support the national flag or fly it.

In deference to my socialist friends, of whom their are many, I do not disrespect their flag but I do not respect it either. I remain neutral on the flag. If I do choose to fly a flag, it's my state flag.

You really are in left field dude....how does one become so negative?

Sounds to me like it's a vow of unquestioning subservience to the state.

By the way, it was written by a socialist.

http://www.oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all.

You got that right. The republic for which it stands. Not the empire for which it stands.

Hawkeye,

Straight from the Army, these are the people you need to call if you really are appalled by what the Recruiter said to your students. They will deal with it without a doubt.

http://www.usarec.army.mil/2ndbde/contact.shtml

Lynn

Hawkeye,

Here's a question that came to me today. If you were so appalled by what the recruiter was saying to your students, why did you not go to someone in higher authority at the school and have him removed from the classroom ? I am sure that with your statements, and with the students confirming that he had said what you indicated he could have been removed from the school. and his superiors could have been alerted as to his conduct. How many of your classes did he get to speak to ? After he made those statements to the intial class did you not think "I am not letting this guy get his chance at any more of my students' ?

Lynn

Lynn;

The simple answer to that is either:

1) (most likely) the recruiter didn't say what Chris is saying he said (i.e., Chris is lying); or,

2) Chris lacks the guts to actually stand up for anything.

Those, simply, are the only two choices.

VA,

What does it take to make someone stand up for what's right ? If you can't stand up for what's right in a simple instance like this, what the hell would happen if some damn maniac came tearing into the classroom and started threatening the students with bodily harm ? Sorry, if it was my kid, and this was true, and it had not been reported by the teacher immediately, I would be making one BIG ASS STINK about it, and in more ways than one !

It boogles my mind, it really does

Exactly.

This one is as simple as:

1) Asking the recruiter to refrain from that speech;

2) Asking the recruiter to leave;

3) Asking the admin to have the recruiter excused;

Any of those would have worked, fast, and counteracted the supposed speech right then.

And/or, a call to recruiting command will have this investigated (hell, there should be at least 30 witnesses), and the recruiter removed from that duty and reprimanded.

As Chris has been told, if the recruiter said what Chris is saying he said, he not only violated his duty, but NEEDS to be removed, and will be QUICKLY.

Of course, that's assuming that Chris is being truthful.

I'd doubt the latter, rather than the former.

I assume you are referring to the second part of my post.

I watched 58,000 Americans die in Vietnam for no valid reason and then I saw my country become a socialist country. How did it get that way? The Ruling Welfare Class took over the Constitutional Republic with the help of the Common Welfare Class which was to lazy to work and the Common Man Working Class which was to naive to understand politics.

So how did I get to be so negative? Because I understand politics and spent to many years in the trenches until it broke me. You don't change the system the system breaks you.

Hope that helps your understanding.