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Originally Posted by SU35
Well, I know you don't like Berger, so I guess that leaves
Scenars, Amaxs and Swift S2's then. That's not to bad.

I'm driving 130 Swifts .571 at 3,150 out of a 284 case.
Shooting out to 950y, they are flying flatter than what their BC says.


6.5 or 270?


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6.5..................


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Alot of speed in that 6.5/284, hear those SSIIs can be fickle, but when they shoot well, they are good on impact.

Stick, you don't like the 6.5 140 Amax?

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I'm getting PM's on what I am loading in the 6.5-284 so I'll post it here.

Winchester 284 case necked down.
Then worked through a K&M neck mandrel that irons out the ID of the neck. This really cuts down ES big time.
Wincheter primer.
RS Magnum powder 61.0 grains.

Everyone keeps telling that light rifles with #1 barrels can't shoot and short actions can't use the 284 case. smile
A Wyatts does help though with the longer 6.5 bullets.
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Ramshot load guide suggest 62.0 grains of Magnum with a 140 grain bullet. I'm loading 61.0 grains with a 130 grain bullet so I should be fine pressure wise.
COAL is 2.900
Barrel length, 25"

140 Berger VLD's shoot at 3,050 with 50 grains of RL17.

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I've yet to break 3000 fps with a 6.5-06 26" barrel I bought of a fire member but just to chew over,
listed below are some numbers.

120 A max 52 grs H4831 @ 2918 fps.
140 Nosler Match 48 grs Hybrid @ 2877.
140 Nosler Match 45 grs H4350 @2751.
140 Sierra GK 48 grs Hybrid @ 2855.
140 Sierra GK 45 grs H4350 @ 2780.

130 VLD 49 grs Hybrid @ 2975.
130 VLD 47 grs H4350 @ 2886.

I was initially excited over the Hybrid numbers by Hodgdon but after 2 lb's have come to realise it's capabilities, very heat sensitive and I never got good groups at max loadings but a good powder in a cool chamber.
What I settled on is 48.grs behind a cheap flat based 129 gr Hdy. With a 200yd zero and the.300 mag elevation turret on the MK.4 Leupold it tracks perfectly out to 500 yds and on the 2 occasions I shot 700 yds it only needed two more clicks. a small price to pay.
If I had to do it all over again I'd probably go the .270.
My buddy shoots the 135 SMK with a 28" Kreiger and is very hard to beat.

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Let me be the first to say I want to buy that rifle when you tire of it.

You heard it here first.....


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Buy em, build em, shoot em, kill with them,

Sell em.... grin

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SU35, have you posted more details and pics of that rifle somewhere? I'd like to see and read more on it, very nice. Obviously paying attention to details has allowed you to capitalize fully upon it's potential.

Also, notice WW brass, do you sort, and do you feel Lapua/Norma are a waste? Do understand WW mfg. good brass.

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65BR,

Only here at the Campfire have I posted on this rifle.

I bought the WW brass as I was reading where the guys who were winning matches were snatching up "boxed"284 brass.
Not the bulk stuff. I found 200 pcs of it and bought them all.
Those 1000 yard winners were right.

I don't sort the brass and I DO feel that Lapua/Norma is NOT a waste.
That's great stuff. I've used the Lapua 243 necked upfor my 260 for great accuracy and the Norma brass for my 300 WSM.

I just happened to find the boxed 284 win brass.

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There are two varieties of Winchester brass, the bulk Win brass sold currently, and an earlier version that was sold in individual 20-round boxes. John Hoover uses the early Winchester brass and he believes it is superior to anything you can buy today. He's done extensive testing with Winchester, Lapua, and Norma brass, and his early production Winchester has always performed best in his family's rifles.



http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek044.html

This advise has transformed my ES for my loads.
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"First step, with new Winchester .284 brass, is to use a Redding full-length die. I screw the decapping pin out of the die and I use Imperial Sizing Wax on the cases. Then I run a K&M expander mandrel to push the 'out of tolerance' to the outside

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Thanks SU, gave me a reason to re-read that in more detail, which obviously is giving you great results. Bore life has kept me out of that round, but I guess you have to pay to play as they say. For a hunting rifle, a bbl could last a long time.

Thanks for the info.

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cant be sure but it seems most of the LR guys running the 6.5x284 found the happy spot for their 140's around 2950.. seems that would be where i would start comparing apples...

seems sd and bc would be deciding factors.. hence the 6.5 wins.....

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Woof-not sure how long of tubes the LR guys are running but I spect the're 26-27 or so. My experience with the 6.5/06 has been mainly with 23-24" barrels and almost without exception 2850 was a good sane speed for pressures and gave good accuracy as well.

One of my buds did build one with 26" and he could get it to 3K but could never get accuracy with it so he dropped back to the 29ish range and then it perked again.

I used a load of R19 and a 129 Horn, it shot well and ran at 3100. Killed well did everything pretty much like my old .270, go figure eh...grin

Side note, I've seen more popped primers over the years out of the 6.5/06 than all other rounds put together. I think the long bearing surface and the fact that some people just gotta try to get a bullet to a certain speed has a lot to do with this.

Just my comments, but I feel the 6.5's are great for the 500-1K game. But, sub 500 and the 280,270, and or 06 will do the same thing.

Just the way I've seen it.

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Mark, I tend to agree. My best accuracy out of a 24.5" barrel has been 2875 with a 140. Using RL22 and 140 Berger has been quite nice.

If the wind ever dies down enough, I have a ladder to shoot using H1000 and 160 Woodleighs more for grins than anything. That one has a bc of .509 and I have elk plans for it if it can be tuned up in my rifle.

I'll try to post results once I get that done.

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Anyone want to share their fav load for the 140 accubond in the 270 win?


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63 grains of H-1000, Federal 210 primer in Winchester cases



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Seems to me the advantage the 6.5 has is the 140gr VLD. If this bullet is not your cup of tea then everything else is a wash. No bad choice between the two.

Either one will to a great job.

The 6.5 140gr VLD might just be the best bullet in the world. Right now I am kinda a fan.


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Yup the 140gr vld shoots very well. I sent a few down range today from my 6.5WSM. My respect for the 6.5 is growing.

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I have never seen a bull elk shoulder that could shrugged one off at any range from point blank to 1100yds. Makes a guy think about things???


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Does not make me think too much, I am firm beleiver in the bergers. They just kill stuff and they usually shoot the best in my rifles. Thanks for the first hand info on the 6.5s.

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I have never seen a bull elk shoulder that could shrugged one off at any range from point blank to 1100yds. Makes a guy think about things???


Nothing like seeing personal results.

But, it has me thinking that if the 264 can kill out to 1100 then the 6.5-284 should be able to out to a 1000.

....With only 50 grains of powder.....that's 15 to 20 grains less recoil than the 264.


Curios John, How does the 7mm Rem mag 180 VLD compare to the 264 win mag 140 VLD at those distances?

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