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well dad bought the rifle.. we have yet to shoot her although she came with a box of ammo. all factory a has the larger holes in the brake. i will post more whjen whe shoot her the posts on loading down was a big factor in the decision..
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This might sound nuts but for what it's worth, I remember a couple times not having my mouth closed when I shot my 460 and it would make my teeth smack together. Might just be weird 'ol me, but it sure did hurt for me to remember it 10 years later. They are fun but just be sure everything is accounted for when the trigger breaks.


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Sounds like you can can make it pay for itself if you can get some bets down. Load some sissy loads for you, some full house loads for the suckers . . er, fellow shooters.

Otherwise, just tape a bag of lead shot to the butt and shoot a few rounds. Then you can hang if on the wall and say, "Yes, I have fired it, 20 rounds in an afternoon in fact."


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Started collecting left-hand 460s about 25 years ago.

Have German and Japanese ones. Ones with dark wood and ones with light wood. Have some with McMillan fiberglass stocks. Have some with iron sights. Have one that Jim Brockman mounted a scout scope on (took an eland at 200+ yards with that one). Have ones with the Pendleton dekicker and ones with the Accubrake.

Have never cracked a stock.

Have loaded them with Hornady bullets, Barnes solids and X-bullets, Swift A-frames, Trophy Bonded Sledgehammers and Bearclaws. Have not tried the Speer 45/70 405 grainer yet. Would like to try one of the old 600-grain roundnoses one of these days.

Have shot them at paper targets, wet newsprint (at John Linebaugh's annual Cody get-together), and at animals. Built an eight-foot penetration box and an eight-foot water box to shoot them into. Haven't found anything to stop them yet except the full length of that eland when shot at 200+ yards. The PH Alf Adami still gets a laugh out of that one.

The penetration statement is not completely true. John Linebaugh's stacked wet newsprint did stop the 460s in between four and five feet.

All of them are built on the Weatherby Mark V action designed for them. Have heard lots of discussion concerning the adamant necessity of a Mauser claw extractor for big guns. Have used the Mauser on several big guns and will again, but haven't experienced a failure with the Weatherby yet. Probably need a larger statistical sample. (Do consider a rubber mallet a necessity in handloading. Sometimes more powder finds its way into that big brass case than wiser people would suggest.)

460s are neat.

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PS And 378 Wbys do kick me more. Nothing more scientific about that than a bloody nose and broken glasses.

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well
i shot her today. not nearly what i expected!!! with weatherby factory ammo the recoil is very managable. actually not much more than my 50 ak i think with a new recoil pad and a mercury reducer she will be a pussycat.
as a matter of fact i like her a lot but she is not a levergun.
however i do wonder what the recoil may be without the muzzle brake?? not as scary as they make them sound.
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Recoil on my old girl made in the early 70's is sharp
I was thinking really hard on pulling the barrel on her and putting a .510 on it making her a 50x460 or even blowing her out to .618 or .620

The 460 W. is a sweat ride if you know what i mean buddy ...

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Here is some info you may enjoy.

My .460 was hand picked by Roy Weatherby over 30 years ago so you can image the piece of lumber it has.

If you want to impress at the range, load 115 grains if 4350 behind the 500 grain Hornady. That will punch .5 MOA groups you can make money on with many half that size when the barrel is cool.

When you get serious, you can load 123 grains of 4350 behind the 500 Swift A-Frame and get the full 2700 fps and 8,400 FPE the cartridge was first promoted on.

For serious work with controllable recoil and 5 shots groups around .7MOA, my best load shoots the Barnes X 400 grain bullet and take your pick from 110 grains of Varget or 4064. the are interchangeable in the .460 and you will chronograph right on 2750 fps. Max is 116 grain of either powder for right on 2900 fps and good accuracy.

This is my usual load and I have taken game up to a ton in weight with this bullet. (Sadly discontinued)

I also like the 550 grain Woodleigh and have used it on game up to Bison and it introduces them to gravity with more sensation than they are used to in their rather routine days.

I load 121 grains of IMR 4831 with this bullet and it slams big animals very hard.

A .460 is a very practical hunting rifle because it can also be loaded for plinking with no recoil using the paper thin jacketed 400 grain Speer flat point made for the 45/70 over a charge of 40 grains of bluedot for 1720 fps, or 57 grains of 2400 for a velocity of 2080 fps both lods with the Federal 215 primer.

I have killed truck loads of game with these and more loads. It is a real hunting rifle and versatile enough to take mulies at 400 yards or elephant at 2 feet.

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I own both a .460 and .378 and can say both calibers are daunting, and both have their own very substantial and unique recoil (as mentioned in the other posts). Both are also a blast to shoot. If you want to mitigate the recoil, start with lower velocity loads, wear a shoulder recoil pad, and use the muzzle brake. I started with my .378 this way, and after a while was shooting it with no brake, and no shoulder pad. I use the Super Mag Plus recoil pad and it works great. Every spring, when I finally get to shoot again, I have to start over this way until I get used to the rifles again. A bag of shot works great also, but is tougher to get positioned right. Also, RELAX when you shoot. Too many people tense up in anticipation of the recoil, really tighten up, and lean into the gun as if it's going to fly out of their hands, and get smacked hard because they don't flex to dissipate the energy. That's why a 170 pounder can often times handle more recoil than a 300 lb guy. The big guy just doesn't move as well and gets nailed. The .378 hits very hard, because it's very fast. The biggest problem I've seen with the .460 is being able to control the muzzle rise after a shot because it's such a large punch. A mouth guard never hurts either when you try a big rifle for the first time. I always laugh when someone comments on my shoulder pad, because they never seem to want to shoot the rifles themselves when I offer them to them. Just some food for thought, good luck and good shooting.

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sounds like fun was had by all the survivers.

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Interesting posts. I attended an industry sponsored hunt once attanded by 40 writers and industry people form all around the world. Not a single person I met had held a .460 in their hands let alone used one.

Here are the facts about a .460 Weatherby. My rifle was hand picked by Roy Weatherby over 30 years ago. I have a 5 shot group on record at Barnes measureing .667" using the 400 grain X bullet over 110 grains of IMR 4064. (safe max working load is 116 grains) It may get used in the new Volume 4 reloading manual. Enjoy:

.460 Weatherby Magnum Page 1.

Bullet Load Powder O. A. L. Velocity Energy Comments

300gn Hornady HP 113gn VARGET 3005 6017
100gn IMR 3031 2738 4995
106gn IMR 3031 2888 5557 Great on Pigs

300gn Barnes X 113gn VARGET 2979 5913

350gn Speer FP 90gn AR 2206 2380 4403
100gn AR 2206 2629 5373
100gn AR 2208 2515 4917
105gn AR 2208 2685 5604
100gn IMR 4064 2525 4956
105gn IMR 4064 2685 5604
108.5gn IMR 4064 2730 5794
112gn IMR 4064 2860 6359 Mild

400gn Speer FP 40gn Blue Dot 1720 2628 Fed 215 Primer
57gn 2400 2080 3844 Fed 215 Primer
58gn 2400 2120 3993 Fed 215 Primer
100gn IMR 4064 2500 5553
110gn IMR 4064 2750 6719

400gn Barnes X 110gn IMR 4064 2750 6719 Easy shooting big game load
110gn VARGET 2750 6719 6 feet penetration on big game.
116gn IMR 4064 2900 7472
116gn AR 2208 2860 7267

400gn Woodleigh 110gn VARGET 2737 6655
110gn IMR 4064 2750 6719
116gn IMR 4064 2900 7472

450gn Barnes TSX 110gn IMR 4350 2408 5795
115gn IMR 4350 2527 6382
117gn IMR 4350 2575 6627
119gn IMR 4350 2627 6897 Compressed load

500gn Barnes TSX 110gn IMR 4350 2433 6574
115gn IMR 4350 2543 7182 Very heavily compressed

500gn Hornady RN 115gn IMR 4350 2500 6941 Maximum velocity for this bullet
120gn IMR 4350 2600 7507
122gn IMR 4350 2642 7752
104gn Rel 15 2398 6386
108.5gn Rel 15 2512 7008
85gn IMR 4064 2028 4567
87gn IMR 4064 2100 4897
104gn AR 2208 2400 6397
115gn WIN 760 2450 6666 Very accurate .5 MOA for 3 shots
94gn AR 2206 2300 5875
115gn AR 2209 2500 6941 .5 MOA
115gn Rel 19 2500 6941
115gn IMR 4831 2500 6941
75gn AR 2207 2000 4442
Bullet Load Powder O. A. L. Velocity Energy Comments

500gn Swift 122gn IMR 4350 2660 7858
A - Frame 123gn IMR 4350 2678 7964

550gn Woodleigh 110gn IMR 4350 2356 6769
115gn IMR 4350 2382 6931
117gn IMR 4350 2471 7459 Warm Load
117gn WIN 760 2383 6939
120gn WIN 760 2393 6995
122gn WIN 760 2460 7292 Warm Load
117gn AR 2209 2439 7267
119gn AR 2209 2457 7374
119gn IMR 4831 2464 7417
121gn IMR 4831 2509 7690
121gn AR 2213 2422 7166
123gn AR 2213 2459 7386
115gn WMR 2138 5584
118gn WMR 2162 5710
120gn WMR 2179 5800
122gn WMR 2243 6146

600gn Barnes RN 120gn AR 2213 2346 7334
122gn AR 2213 2389 7606
118gn IMR 4831 2392 7625
120gn IMR 4831 2453 8019 Warm Load
114gn IMR 4350 2418 7797
116gn IMR 4350 2460 8064


AR 2206 is H 4895
AR 2208 is VARGET
AR2209 is H 4350
AR 2213 is H 4831

NOTE: The traditional 500 grain Hornady is out of steam at about 2400 fps. It will not penetrate heavy game reliably once you go over this velocity which is one reason Hornady has changed it to a bonded version.

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AGW;

You keep this up, and I may get really weak and a .460 might find it's way home with me.

(And, yeah, I was just tellin' myself that I didn't need that Whitworth .375H&H... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> )




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I used to carry a .375 and would never cast a slur upon it as the fact is a .375 is imminently sensible and the reason so is that just about anyone can shoot one with reasonable comfort in relation to the adequate power generated.

When I immigrated here, I had to do a lot of soul serching as I simply couldn't bring everything with me. The .460 came back home as the rest was replaceable.

I look at hte .460 as all big boire rifes in one.
It can shoot 400 grain Speers at 2000 fps, 400 grain Woodleighs at 2750-2900 fps. 500 grain A-frames at 2700 fps. 550 grain Woodleighs at 2500 and 600 grain Barnes RN's at 2450.
Pick your recoil level and you have all your big bores in one rifle.

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(And, yeah, I was just tellin' myself that I didn't need that Whitworth .375H&H... )



?????? .... huh ... you need it ... now go and git it!
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One of the best tips I ever got at the range was to wear a football mouth guard when shooting the big boomers. Prevents the chipped teeth and reduces the headache.

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AGW; any reason to use the 600 grain Barnes, or does the TSX cover it all? I'm looking for a good Cape Buffalo bullet for my .460 and definitely want to get it right the first time.
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Your thinking is spot on.
The only reason heavier bullets ever existed is because they fall apart on impact.

The TSX or any Barnes for that matter is a good choice in the .460.

My standard load is 110 grains of IMR 4064 or VARGET and the 400 grain X which shoots way way under MOA for 5 shots. Max hunting load, not max load, is 116 grains which is way over the books which are not correct with this cartridge.

I have used 300 gn X, 400 gn X 450 gn TSX and 500 gn TSX and the 400 grainers will dump wild scrub bulls in their tracks which can be bigger than Capa buffalo by several hundred pounds.

I honestly believe the 350 grainers would be ok too, but because the Cape buff is not going to be shot in numbers and can turn the tables on you, I would personally use the 450 TSX as the 400 gn is no longer available.

For myself, I will continue to use the 400 grainers as I have a supply on hand.

Use H 4350 with the 450 TSX and you can load the 500 grain loading reference material from any manual. I have loaded up to 119 grains which is starting to compress and chronographs at 2650 fps, but I preferred to back off to 115 grains for 2450 which is easy to shoot and still more than any 1700 pound Cape buff could take.

Penetration will be full length and reliably penetrate side on shots.

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AGW; thanks for the advice. My Weatherby's have a liking for the Barnes X and TSX bullets and they have always exceeded my expectations with both accuracy and killing power. With your advice it sounds like they are also the way to go with the big bores. I may load up a box of the 600 gr's for fun just to see what it's like to lob that brick at some phone books. Regards,

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I fear the phone books will be impressed with your handloading prowess!

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what about the 577 tyranosaurs..
I heard it was the worlds most powerful shoulder fired rifle cartridge..And of course I know the .50 cal m2 is more powerful but it's far from portable...

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The 460 Weatherby is miserable to shoot. I say that and I hunt dangerous game with a 450/400 and a 450#2 Nitro Express. I've shot a 500 NE without detrimental effects. The 460 will numb game on contact. It will numb you too!

Pull the trigger on the 460 with a muzzelbrake, and everyone within 50 yards will have permanant hearing loss! Unprotected ears in a hunting situation will be damaged! It's no joke.

Have a converation with a PH who' guided clients with the 460

"How are you"
"Huh?"
"Good hunt?"
"Huh? Say that again."
"I SAID HELLO!"
"DON'T SHOUT, MAN."
They are all hard of hearing. Come to think of it, they are hard of hearing anyway.

Witness someone shooting the Weatherby at dusk, and you will see it belch fire like a Space Shuttle launch.

Ammo is expensive, and it takes a pound of H4831 to fill up the case. You can have it!
If you can get a deal, buy it and resell to some bonehead with a Napolean complex who has to the biggest "equipment" around. It's not my favorite, for sure.

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