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Jaack's right on when the 1950's 99R's started. Does the forearm look like the one I posted a picture of?

You have a tang sight rather than a receiver sight. Could be a Lyman 29 1/2, Lyman 30 1/2, Lyman 1A. Not as common in the late 40's and 50's as the receiver sights like the Redfield 70LH on mine (or the Lyman 56S and Lyman 57S which were similar), but they still show up.

There are a number of tang sights to compare to yours at: http://www.savage99.com/tang_sights.htm

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The two leaf folding rear sight sounds like a Lyman No. 6.

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I think you have an extra digit in there, or the first character is actually a letter. If it's 52x,xxx then it was made in 1949 and is either a 99EG with a thin forearm with a schnabel tip, or a 99R with a fat and wide forearm with a rounded end.

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look for the oval on the front of the lever boss. that's the thing the front of the lever is attached to. It will have one or two numbers and a letter. The letter designates the year the rifle was produced. If it is a six digit serial # it will be a A for 1949 or a B for 1950. A new letter was used each year: C for 1951, D for 1952, etc.


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
Jaack's right on when the 1950's 99R's started. Does the forearm look like the one I posted a picture of?

You have a tang sight rather than a receiver sight. Could be a Lyman 29 1/2, Lyman 30 1/2, Lyman 1A. Not as common in the late 40's and 50's as the receiver sights like the Redfield 70LH on mine (or the Lyman 56S and Lyman 57S which were similar), but they still show up.

There are a number of tang sights to compare to yours at: http://www.savage99.com/tang_sights.htm



Ummm... yes, tang sight, sorry, that's what I meant. Lyman 1A seems plausible. It does have the locking lever. Haven't found info and pics on the 29½ or 30½ to compare. Yes, the forestock is like in your picture.



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The two leaf folding rear sight sounds like a Lyman No. 6.


Thanks; if this is a pic of the taller leaf on a #6, then that sounds right.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=nSJ8355t&id=F7567302ECC5C0A6E9DC1EA80FF692A7673B7E29&thid=OIP.nSJ8355tLKyxl4KA9fugZQAAAA&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.soldusa.com%2fContent%2flistingImages%2f20180303%2fca7d113d-004e-4f2a-9ba3-fa0b01becddd_fullsize.jpg&exph=416&expw=460&q=lyman+6a+sight&simid=608052878009893367&ck=E7CD47CC6C61AA78EF92AAF42CACED35&selectedIndex=13


Haven't found a decent #6 pic of the white triangle on the shorter leaf, but it looks like this:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=swDXW%2bUX&id=8E088267D6F0C79696E6864D2DD47478AD78CA61&thid=OIP.swDXW-UXtXrR4tg--cs3PQAAAA&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.ebayimg.com%2fimages%2fg%2fwvAAAOSw56Jek2T7%2fs-l400.jpg&exph=279&expw=400&q=lyman+6a+folding+sight&simid=607993646165132954&ck=F96FD4843E7CEBC576859CD6504C1B4D&selectedIndex=17&qpvt=lyman+6a+folding+sight&ajaxhist=0


Would these have been after-market (i.e., non-factory) installs?

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Yes, the photo with the tall leaf is a Lyman #6. It was superceded by the Lyman #16 in 1955.

The link Calhoun provided should enable you to identify the tang sight. Lyman 1A and 2A are not windage adjustable. Lyman 29 1/2 and 30 1/2 are windage adjustable. All of these tang sights were discontinued by 1955.

And yes, these sights were all after market.

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Originally Posted by Jaaack
Yes, the photo with the tall leaf is a Lyman #6. It was superceded by the Lyman #16 in 1955.

The link Calhoun provided should enable you to identify the tang sight. Lyman 1A and 2A are not windage adjustable. Lyman 29 1/2 and 30 1/2 are windage adjustable. All of these tang sights were discontinued by 1955.

And yes, these sights were all after market.



Thanks; that pretty much narrows it down to the #6, the #1A (it's not windage adjustable)... and the G&H scope mount.

If all after-market, I would therefore guess that maybe all the sights/mounts were installed by G&H... or maybe some local gunsmith, but I wonder if perhaps that'd be the less likely of the two... since G&H told me the normal procedure involved taking the scope apart to slip it into the one-piece rings they used at the time (and then putting the scope back together). Hmm... or maybe Weaver did work like that back then? I could maybe learn more by asking G&H, in case they have records.

(When I asked them some years ago about how to change to a new scope, they supplied two-piece rings, but I didn't think to ask a more pointed question about whether they actually did the initial install, and if so, when... and if so, now I would ask if they installed the Lyman sights, too.)

Back to the "R" thing. I said before, I just guessed at the model, not really knowing how to identify.. Is it really an "R"? If not, what model would it be with a 1948 serial number and the rounded forend? How to tell?

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"Back to the "R" thing. I said before, I just guessed at the model, not really knowing how to identify.. Is it really an "R"? If not, what model would it be with a 1948 serial number and the rounded forend? How to tell?"

One possibility is that the forearm on your rifle is not original to that rifle. The forearm, buttstock, buttplate, and frame should have matching assembly codes. Unfortunately, you have to pull the buttstock to find the assembly code on the frame. (On Utica guns serial numbers were used instead of assembly codes, so the forearm, buttstock, and buttplate numbers matched the serial number on the bottom of the receiver.)

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The serial number was stamped on the forend, buttstock and buttplate until about 1950. It should have the serial # stamped in those places.


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If the screws on the G&H side mount are ground smooth to the mount and blued to match the mount, it was quite likely installed by G&H. If the screws aren't blued, then it was likely a gunsmith install.


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Originally Posted by Jaaack

One possibility is that the forearm on your rifle is not original to that rifle. The forearm, buttstock, buttplate, and frame should have matching assembly codes. Unfortunately, you have to pull the buttstock to find the assembly code on the frame. (On Utica guns serial numbers were used instead of assembly codes, so the forearm, buttstock, and buttplate numbers matched the serial number on the bottom of the receiver.)


Are you meaning that the only model made in 1948 was the EG with the schnabel forend? Anyway, see next...


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The serial number was stamped on the forend, buttstock and buttplate until about 1950. It should have the serial # stamped in those places.


I've had the forend and buttstock off the rifle in the past, for some detailed cleaning. All the numbers match.


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If the screws on the G&H side mount are ground smooth to the mount and blued to match the mount, it was quite likely installed by G&H. If the screws aren't blued, then it was likely a gunsmith install.


Flush and blued. Thanks for that tip.

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it sounds like you have a "with Savage never say never" which is cool.


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Any chance of a couple pictures of the entire rifle? Upload to the image gallery?

The 1948 pricelist for Savage lists the 99EG, 99R and 99RS. However.. we only ever see 99EG's show up. So this a very interesting gun. If it is a rounded forearm, I'd almost expect it to be a 1930's style 99R. But a 99RT isn't out of the question if somebody found an old forearm that hadn't been used, or it might even have shipped late and be a 1950's 99R.

Need to see the gun.

Here's a 1930's style 99R:

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1950's style 99R:

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I'll give pictures a try:

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Looks more like your '30s pic, I think. The vertical line up near the tip of the forend is similar. Swivel mount placement is slightly different, though. As shown, the set-up weighs approx 8½-lbs, unloaded.

I've asked G&H if they have records for work done back then. Won't know for a while if they have time to look, are willing to look, have records to review, etc.

They did supply me with their newer two-piece scope rings for the side mount, some number of years ago, don't remember exactly when that was. It lets me easily swap in a Leupold 1.5-5x20, brighter and with a much more visible reticle than the original Weaver K2.5 (which isn't horrible in the first place). I'd almost be tempted to leave the Leupold on there most of the time, but the black aluminum doesn't look all that great compared to the original Weaver blued steel.

There's a "story" about the Weaver. The first year I used this rifle for deer hunting in upstate PA... the top half of the scope mount, with scope, dismounted itself while I was trudging out to find a likely place to stand. Got to the stand, discovered the scope missing, had a heart attack (Grandad's rifle!), back-tracked myself, found the scope and mount... in the road, with tire tracks over it. Gak! Anyway, that explains the couple of "dimples" in the scope, from tire studs. Still works fine, though. Took me almost all day to calm down after that, I think...

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The G&H looks aftermarket, the screws aren't ground down and blued to blend in with the receiver.

But... That isn't just a 99R, with the studs that seems be a 99RS. It is the 1930's style of 99RS, and if all parts number I'm pretty sure it's the latest one we have information on. That's cool! It probably didn't originally have the tang sight, it probably had a Redfield 70LH receiver sight - but that had to go when the G&H scope mount was put on.

The 99RS was different from the 99R by having sling studs with a flat bottom, sling swivels and sling, and a peep sight.

SWEET! That's a new one, it being above 500,000. It answers the question of what was Savage sending out as R's for those couple of years.

Here's a 1930's 99RS without swivels or sling:

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Here's a picture of Keith's 99T with a factory installed G&H side mount. As you can see, the screws are all but invisible. They charged a pretty penny for the install..

Heck, you can STILL get this mount for a Savage 99. They still make it. Probably about $1400 for the mount and mounting it.

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Ah. I misunderstood what you meant earlier about the G&H mount screws. Yep, quite a difference between what I thought was "ground down and blued" versus almost invisible as in your pic.

So not factory (Savage) or G&H installed. I can think of who might have done (or commissioned) the work locally back then, but they're out of business so no way to follow up on that. I did get an answer from G&H, but they only were able to say they don't have records from that far back.

I guess if the Lyman #1A was installed because of the scope (makes sense), then I imagine it would have been mounted in the same tang screws used for the original Redfield sight.

I didn't think to remove the slink to better illustrate the sling swivel studs, but they are indeed flat, as in your pic. The sling itself is also original.


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SWEET! That's a new one, it being above 500,000. It answers the question of what was Savage sending out as R's for those couple of years.

Here's a 1930's 99RS without swivels or sling:


I'm a little unclear what your meant by "sending out as R's for those couple of years."

I thought you were leaning toward mine being an RS? Or did they not catalog an RS in 1948? So this might be the 1948 version of an R, instead? Or...?

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Originally Posted by Ranger4444
I'm a little unclear what your meant by "sending out as R's for those couple of years."

I thought you were leaning toward mine being an RS? Or did they not catalog an RS in 1948? So this might be the 1948 version of an R, instead? Or...?

-Chris

Savage catalogued both the 99R and 99RS from 1932 to 1959. But there's a few post-WW2 years where we see only 99EG's - and truthfully we usually say they made no 99R/99RS's for those years.

Now.. yours might just be using up a leftover stock. But, it's the highest serial number prewar style 99R/99RS that I think I have data on. And would point toward Savage making the prewar style 99R/99RS's for any sales rather than the postwar 99R/99RS's that early.

And when I said 99R above, I meant both 99R/99RS. The 99RS is just a 99R with a few accessories - the stock style is the same.


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