Thinking about getting a Semi-auto 223 rifle . My uses for the rifle would be for shooting coyotes and deer Hunting(200 yards or less). I want a Lightweight rifle and an accurate rifle and a reliable rifle.Rifle would be scoped ,more than likely with a Leupold 4x. I have seen ads for the Kel-Tek which certainly is lightweight enough but I dont know about its accuracy or reliability. Ruger Mini 14 seems a little heavy and the AR rifle a lot pricey but would like some input from those who have used them as my experience is with mostly REMINGTON 742 and 7400 rifles and with Bolt rifles.
I've shot and reloaded for numerous AR's. Most carbines have shot around 1.5 inches at 100yds with the right load. No mini 14 I've ever shot or seen shot comes close. I even had a gun dealer offer me 2 custom barreled mini 14's for my Colt AR. He thought he could save money over an AR by custom barrelling a mini 14,he tried twice....didn't work.
No experience with Kel-Tek anything, so can't advise.
You should be able to find one used for ~$600, new for under $800. For you use don't get caught up in thinking only an LMT lower or Olympia sucks or any of that stuff. Virtually any fairly recent factory-assembled AR will be accurate enough for what you describe, and reliability and durability are a non-issue for your use.
I mention that because if you start googling AR's it's easy to fall into the trap where you are basing decisions on your 300-round-a-year coyote killer, on what guys are saying about rifles that get run full-auto in combat for years... most of the arguing over minutia with AR's has no real relevance to the casual user.
IMHO. I've only owned a few so season my opinion with as much salt as you see fit.
I'd concur with the AR (the only platform I'd consider for a self loading .223), and suggest getting a complete lower from Rock River with their NM trigger, and have White Oak armament build a match upper with their special purpose rifle barrel, and a mid length carbon free float tube. This will give you a light reliable rifle that should have little problem shooting 1/2 moa with tailored loads. Upper and lower should fun about $1000 and change.
If you're not willing to spend that amount of money, I'd say just get a bolt action. I've shot accurate rifles and am just not willing to compromise, and you don't have to with a good AR.
The easy pick would be the Mini with the new fatter barrel. They shoot just fine accuracy wise, and you'll never have a problem with one working with little or no maintenance. Resale is easy and high, and they require no adjustment in shooting style when switching between bolt and auto platforms.
get a stainless upper or make sure the chamber and barrel are hard chromed if you want to use it in the elements off and on for a long time and if you expect it to work for a long time. .
When a country is well governed, poverty and a mean condition are something to be ashamed of. When a country is ill governed, riches and honors are something to be ashamed of . Confucius
FN Scars compete favorably with AR's as far as Accuracy goes and are superior in some respects. They are unfortunately far more expensive.
In your price range an AR-15 is definately the way to go.
The only completely unreliable AR-15 I ever had was an Olympic - it wouldn't fire more than 3 shots in a row without jamming. Other brands have worked far better.......................DJ
Remember this is all supposed to be for fun.......................
AR15 hands down. Rock River, DPMS, Bushmaster, Remington, Armilite,Stag,the list goes on. Pass on the Olympic Arms. Get one with a fast twist, say 8, barrel of the weight you are after and spend any extra $$ on a great trigger. From there it's just like any other rifle, you need great optics to make a great rifle shoot well. I've been shooting AR's for 30 years and have owned close to 50 of them. The article on the new Mini 14 is hilarious, it claims the new Mini is accurate, then shows an average of nearly 2.5" for all the groups fired. None were under MOA.
The article on the new Mini 14 is hilarious, it claims the new Mini is accurate, then shows an average of nearly 2.5" for all the groups fired. None were under MOA.
True. As mentioned above the worst AR-15's usually shoot better than the best Mini-14's. Mini-14's handle nice and are decent plinking or maybe 100yd coyote guns. AR-15's can be SERIOUSLY accurate................................DJ
Remember this is all supposed to be for fun.......................
My uses for the rifle would be for shooting coyotes and deer Hunting(200 yards or less). I want a Lightweight rifle and an accurate rifle and a reliable rifle.Rifle would be scoped ,more than likely with a Leupold 4x.
Get a BAR in 243win.
The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.
I've heard that the new Mini's are more accurate. The older ones were pretty doggy regarding accuracy. My Ranch rifle has a 24" custom stainless match grade barrel with brake and the action three point bedded by Accuracy Systems. It has a really nice two stage trigger. I broke it in like instructed and it cleans up real easy. It has 1:9 twist and loves the new 65 gr. Sierra Gamekings. Best powder so far is Ball C, 26 gr, at around 3,000 fps. Next best is Varget. I put a cheek piece on the factoy stock and applied a black, crinkle finish. With a bipod, it's a mean coyote and hog killer. The above load shot a .330" group at 100 yds and will shoot 1/2" all day. The Gameking is an interesting bullet for hogs and 'yotes with good write ups. Can't wait to bag some after deer season closes. I also have AR's but like the way this long barreled, custom Ranch Rifle feels and shoots. Just out of the box, AR's are probably the way to go for best accuracy, but I've always had a thing for the Mini's.
