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N120 was the ticket in my 17AH. Nothing not to like about 12grs of powder and no sewing from 5feet to 200yards.

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The 222 Rem. with Barnes Varmint Grenades 36gr at 3560 fps, seam to never make it out the other side, just lung jelly.

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Every red I shot with a 17 Rem was trashed.

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Originally Posted by shotgun4fur
Every red I shot with a 17 Rem was trashed.

Don't shoot them in the azz or the head Russ

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I have stated this before......FORGETABOUT the .17-HMR!!!

My vote goes to the .222 Remington or the .223 caliber gents.
Also the .243 does a great job too! I like it a lot on "song dogs" (Coyotes") around our place.


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Originally Posted by Tonk
I have stated this before......FORGETABOUT the .17-HMR!!!

My vote goes to the .222 Remington or the .223 caliber gents.
Also the .243 does a great job too! I like it a lot on "song dogs" (Coyotes") around our place.


Great calibers for coyotes but a bit harsh on fox. Especially if you have alot of close shots.

I absolutely agree with the 17HMR. Unreliable at best.


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I never had any trouble killing them with a 22LR. Guess the ol' 22 just aint cool no more though.

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22lr works fine up real close, range is just the issue Russ

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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Lots of very experienced people think that the 17 Fireball is what Remington ought to have done in the first place rather than develop that touchy bore fouler 17 Rem.


You can keep the 17 FB i will take the 17 Rem over it any day.


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Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by shotgun4fur
Every red I shot with a 17 Rem was trashed.

Don't shoot them in the azz or the head Russ


Or the shoulder ,ribs or facing in the chest . All shots have trashed hides.

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I still stand that with a 25 Hornady or Berger match HP the damage will be less than any larger CF rifle. There is only about 300 fps max diff between the 17 Rem, 17 MK4, and the 17 FB and amont of damage is about the same. Marginal angled hits will always do more external damage to hides Russ

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I shot quite a few fox back when the only two 17 cal bullets in town were the 25 grain Rem and Hornadys. I didn't find them tough on hides either when shot mid-ship broadside. Maybe a nickle sized exit. When Berger came out with their 25's, I found they were about the same performance wise.

Now that Hornady came out with the 20 grain V-Max, I think, for me, that's still the best option going for thin skin fox at any range. You still gotta stay off the fringes.

This, of course, is from a midwest perspective, not a definitive, worldwide answer.

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Originally Posted by BlackFrog
17 Fireball (created in 2007) is better case-to-bullet effiency with less blast and nearly the same velocities as 17 Rem. Uses a lot less powder (less heat, less fouling).


What he said.

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Originally Posted by Latestnews
Originally Posted by BlackFrog
17 Fireball (created in 2007) is better case-to-bullet effiency with less blast and nearly the same velocities as 17 Rem. Uses a lot less powder (less heat, less fouling).


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I picked up a 17 Fireball with fox in mind, we shall see.


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Just bad luck here I guess. I shot most with the old 25gr Rem bullet. I put it away after shooting a called female @ 80-100 yards. She sat down and I busted her dead center chest only to find parts of here spine in the snow. Softball exit ...yuck !

Anyhow, was thinking a 17 fireball with a mild load with a 30 gr might work. What you guys think ?

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17Mach4 is the best best finish nailer.

22LR the gold standard
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The old Rem bullets were very hit or miss, some went thru like a knitting needle and some blew up like you stuffed a grenade up their butt. I shot a very large tomcat recently at about a 100 yards walking facing me with a 25 gr hornady in the chest and had to step on him to squirt the bllod out to see where it went in and out. By the way definitly a ferel cat, out on the prarie about 10 miles from a house. Russ

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Only good cat is a dead one ! 10 feet, 10 miles no diff. grin

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Biggest damn cat I ever saw, thought it might be a black bobcat and had to confirm it wasn't before I let drive Russ

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