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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Yeah!

One other thing I've found interesting about the recent turn of this thread, initiated by dmsbandit and his sudden interest in the 6.5/.284, is a post from him last year about shortening the barrel on a Marlin .308:

"I never even fired the gun before the barrel was cut back, so I have no idea how much velocity I lost with the 4" of barrel with this gun. Some guns are faster than others so I might have lost 100fps or 300fps with the 150s. But as you and I are well aware, it isn't velocity that kills, it's placement of the projectile that does the killing."

I have my own notions about velocity, having used various smokeless-powder big game rifles with muzzle velocities anywhere from 1800 to 3700 fps, but our friend bandit is apparently VERY ambivalent about it, depending on which day he's posting.




You're taking things out of context JB. The 308 which you quote me on was built for hunting locally where ranges are never more than 200-250yds. If someone is hunting doing more hunting at 200-500yds than at ranges under 200yds, then velocity does matter because placing the projectile becomes easier.

I doubt anyone would buy a 6.5x284 to only shoot 200yds at game, but I know a lot of them do buy it to shoot game out to 500yds and matches out to 1000yds. In those applications the Swede and the 260, as fine as they are [I own 4 of them], come in behind the 6.5x284 for putting projectiles on targets [alive or paper] at long ranges.

As far as my "sudden interest" in the 6.5x284, it isn't sudden. I own 3 different 284 rifles that I've had built, and love the case design. I also am a huge fan of the 6.5x55 and 260Rem. I believe them to be the ideal deer cartridges and express that point to any and all looking for a deer gun. With my interest in the 6.5 calibers and the 284 case and cartridge, it's natural to like the 6.5x284 cartridge too.

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From Sierra's ballistic program, all rifles sighted in at 200 yards:

6.5x55, 130 AccuBond, 2900 fps: retained velocity @ 500 2097,
drop -39.5

6.5.284, 130 Accubond, 3050 fps: retained velocity @ 500 2220, drop -35.3

6.5x55, 140 VLD, 2800 fps: retained velocity at 1000 1661,
wind drift 56.8

6.5.284, 140 VLD, 2950 fps: retained velocity at 1000 1771,
wind drift 52.4

The 6.5/.284 is a fine round and works very well, as I know from loading and shooting for one a lot, just as I have the 6.5-06 (identical ballistics). Along with those rounds, I have also handloaded and hunted with the .260, 6.5x55, 6.5 Creedmoor and .264 Winchester Magnum. All will work nicely out to at least 500 yards--or have you found bullets from the 6.5x55 to start bouncing off animals at 400 yards?

And yes, the 6.5/.284 is one of the darlings of the 1000-yard shooters these days, though some are going to the 7mm SAUM or WSM for longer barrel life. Others are using the 6.5 Creedmoor or any similar 6.5 wildcat, because of lower recoil and longer barrel life than the 6.5/.284. They all work, and there ain't anything mystical about the 6.5/.284. Many if not most target shooters follow the lead of the shooter who won last.

Plus, all of this has very little to do with the original question, or what anybody else asked along the way--which has all involved the .260 and 6.5x55.


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an old friend of mine now deceased taught me this a few years back about him using heavy bullets at modest velocities make the cleanest kills so I took his theory to the woods and walked out with the same conclusion and being as the old battle rifles swede were twisted 7.87:1 and they just do such a beautiful job of putting bullets rite exactly where you send them to go with the 156-160 gr. RN bullets and in my own experience with this combination I think the 6.5x55 is an excellent rifle no matter what you choose to shoot whether its big game to targets with mild recoil deadly accuracy and the ability to put big animals on the ground in short order I just dont think it gets much better,Im sure the 260 Rem. is a fine rifle but Im so enfatuated with the swede I just have not gone there yet.......


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I like all the 6.5's!!

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Me too! I even traded into a Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine in 6.5x54 last year, and took a whitetail with it here in Montana.

My only regret is the pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester "Westerner" in .264 WM that I had for a while. It was in hunting rather than collecting shape and shot well, but for some damned reason (probably a hunting trip somewhere, or another rifle) I sold it.


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MS....VERY nice!

Glad to see you regret the sale of your 64.

It hurt my feelings to see you do that. grin

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I've decided that 6.5 shooters must in general be a better lot of folks. This has been one of if not the most civil 17 page discussion I have seen on the campfire in ages!

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If you look for the names of those who didn't participate, its easy to see why.

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Born to be mild!

That's no doubt why we're attracted to cartridges that may be light on donner und blitzen, but do a great job of bringing home the venison and making bugholes downrange.

Yes, we could be shooting 300 winmags or 338 Lapuas but somewhere along the line, we decided to relax and enjoy the ride.

It's all good.


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Milder recoil yields milder discussions. Now personally I think the .270Win. trumps ALL your 6.5's. Ok, back to regular programming.


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Of course, and the .270 Weatherby trumps the .264--in some ways.

Which is why it's important to have one of everything!


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What's a few inches of drop with an M1 atop the scope.........


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Always an excellent point!


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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Ack!!!! Who needs a reason to have redundant rifles?

7x57 times 8
260 times 22
6.5x55 times 8
6.5-284 times 4
256 Newton times 2

Seriously, if you don't have a quick twist 22-250 that might be a place to look. 1-9" ROT 22-250 and 60 grain VMax for coyotes and 60 grain Paritions for deer. Fast, flat shooting, and hard hitting.

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I have to say I like your cartridge choices, and I completely agree with you.

Also Lots of respect to you for keeping Newtons alive. very cool.


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All I can say JB, is that you must have some mystical powers or something.

In my 24" barreled Swede with modern high pressure loads, I can't get 120gr bullets as fast as you're getting 130s, and every 140 combo tried barely get to 2700fps.

But, you velocity figures for the 6.5x284 seem low compared to what guys are reporting out of their guns.

Much like your comments about getting 257 Roberts ammo to lofty levels, I have to wonder if there isn't a "fly in the soup".


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I am reporting pressure-tested loads from various manuals. If you doubt them, take it up with the guys at the various pressure labs.


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Originally Posted by dmsbandit
All I can say JB, is that you must have some mystical powers or something.

In my 24" barreled Swede with modern high pressure loads, I can't get 120gr bullets as fast as you're getting 130s, and every 140 combo tried barely get to 2700fps.

But, you velocity figures for the 6.5x284 seem low compared to what guys are reporting out of their guns.

Much like your comments about getting 257 Roberts ammo to lofty levels, I have to wonder if there isn't a "fly in the soup".



I get 3150 fps cronographed from 2 of my 257 Roberts using 46.4 gr of H4350 and a 100 gr bullet.

I can't comment on the 260 velocities because I have a 257 Roberts. wink


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On a previous thread, dmsbandit was doubting my claim of 3000 fps with 115-117 grain bullets in the .257 Roberts. Apparently this was because his collection of loading manuals is rather old.

So I quoted Hodgdon's data: 115 Nosler Partition at 3049 fps, using 46.0 Hybrid 100V. It should also be noted that the pressure is only 46,600 CUP.

Apparently he still doesn't believe it.


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I can comment that 3000 fps isn't hard at all with the 110 Accubond still using H4350. I tend to stick with 100 Partitions for my heavy bullet in the Roberts.

He doesn't have to believe it and I will go on shooting my Roberts.



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Maybe he has a slow barrel or slow something else?

Suppose he'd believe it if he stuffed a case with 46grains Hybrid 100V, topped it off with a 115NP and touched it off over a chronograph?

Naw..........


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