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This has also been posted this custom rifles and wildcats forum but has received no replies as yet...

How did a Remington "Custom" manufactured back in 1973 differ from a BDL or a "Safari" grade? Were these rifles more accurate because of the many hand fitting stages during production?

What do you suppose a mint .270 is worth today if the Custom "C" rifles sold for $500.- back in 1977, twice the price of a standard BDL?

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Believe the C's of that era were genuine products of Remingtons Custom shop. All that I have seen and/or handled had well fitted, nicely finished, warm color walnut stocks.
The BDLs were production guns with some pretty marginal stamped checkering and a high gloss finish. Maybe they were trying to emulate the Weatherby's of the day. Generally good shooters though.
The few folks that were smart enough, lucky enough, or shrewd enough, to own one of the C rifles never seem to part with them. I have never seen one I would not liked to have owned.
As to value, I don't know, but they should bring some sort of premium.


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Originally Posted by olgrouser

How did a Remington "Custom" manufactured back in 1973 differ from a BDL or a "Safari" grade? Were these rifles more accurate because of the many hand fitting stages during production?


Maybe. I would guess the odds were it would be a bit more accurate. Exactly how much checking of chamber, receiver, and bolt alignment was done I don't know.

Originally Posted by olgrouser

What do you suppose a mint .270 is worth today if the Custom "C" rifles sold for $500.- back in 1977, twice the price of a standard BDL?


Given that most M700 (BDL or otherwise) asking prices are often quite a bit more than what they actually sell for, I am going to say $200-$300 more for a C Grade.

In other words, unless it's LNIB, I'd say somewhere between $500 and $700.

Blued, standard contour barrels, chambered in L/A cartridges, are pretty common and not currently in the same demand as SS, Mtn barrels, and S/A rifles......



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Originally Posted by alpinecrick


Given that most M700 (BDL or otherwise) asking prices are often quite a bit more than what they actually sell for, I am going to say $200-$300 more for a C Grade.

In other words, unless it's LNIB, I'd say somewhere between $500 and $700.

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Your "advice" would be great if this were 1991.

Even in this economy, $500 -$700 will barely buy a nice used STANDARD m700 BDL made in the 1970's let alone a "C" grade custom shop gun.

Used Walnut stocked m700 custom shop "C" grade rifles in nice shape start at $1,000. They have commanded those prices for at least 15 years or so. Only a damn fool would give one away for less.

The "C" grades are VERY easy to distinguish form the regular BDL rifles. I have NEVER seen one without AA-AA grade figure in the wood. Also, the tips and grip caps are Rosewood- not black plastic.

If it can be verified as a 1970's custom shop "C" grade, has nicely figured wood and is truly mint- the gun is worth about $1,250 to $1,500.


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There are dozens of used BDLs on Gunbroker completed auctions, that either sold or didn't even draw a bid at under $500.

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Originally Posted by jim62


Even in this economy, $500 -$700 will barely buy a nice used STANDARD m700 BDL made in the 1970's let alone a "C" grade custom shop gun.



I don't know where you're at, but everywhere else--including the Campfire's own classifieds a standard M700 doesn't sell for for that.

Whether it is the prices here in Colorado, or KSL in Utah, or Gunbroker, watch what happens when a hopeful (and sometimes naive) seller tires to get those prices....they set there, and set there........and set there......

Asking price and selling price are two different things. And in the post 2008 market, bolt rifles are a dime-a-dozen.


Originally Posted by jim62

Used Walnut stocked m700 custom shop "C" grade rifles in nice shape start at $1,000. They have commanded those prices for at least 15 years or so. Only a damn fool would give one away for less.

The "C" grades are VERY easy to distinguish form the regular BDL rifles. I have NEVER seen one without AA-AA grade figure in the wood. Also, the tips and grip caps are Rosewood- not black plastic.

If it can be verified as a 1970's custom shop "C" grade, has nicely figured wood and is truly mint- the gun is worth about $1,250 to $1,500.


See above.....



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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
There are dozens of used BDLs on Gunbroker completed auctions, that either sold or didn't even draw a bid at under $500.


Bullschit.

LOOK at those auction listings.

Don't confuse plastic stocked SPS and ADLs with BDLs

There are NO walnut stocked BDLs that sell for less than $500 on that site regularly. The ones that get "no bids" have RESERVE prices over $500 them have reserve price(Which is why nobody bid).

Hell, a brand new NIB BDL now costs over $750 wholesale.



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Casey,

You are talking out of your ass on this one. You need to actually LOOK at the classifieds here and see what is going on rather than just make schit up.

We are NOT talking about PLASTIC STOCKED SPS, ADLs etc.

Any WALNUT STOCKED m700 BDL you see listed on the campfire classifieds brings $500+++ if its in mint rifle. Period.
If its an older vintage gun in a short action caliber- they sell for even more.

As a matter of fact, you rarely see them for sale anymore.

Folks now how much the BDLS have gone up. A NIB BDL currently made runs $800 + in most gun shops.

Bottom line is anyone who sells a "C" grade m700 for the prices YOU quoted is a damn fool.


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Save your internet gutter talk for those who are impressed with your wishfull thinking.

Either act like a human being or I'm done with you.



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Originally Posted by alpinecrick


Save your internet gutter talk for those who are impressed with your wishfull thinking.

Either act like a human being or I'm done with you.



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Wishfull thing?

YOU are the IDIOT who is advising a man to GIVE AWAY a mint condition m700 "C" grade for $700 or less.

As far as being "done" with me? You flatter yourself ,moron.

I only responded to your DRIVEL above so that the OP here would not give his rifle away based on your IGNORANT "advice".




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Thanks for your responses. A little update...

The 700 "C" according to the 1967 "Shooters Bible" came with the following features:

1) target rifle trigger pull
2) hand checkered walnut stocks, rosewood fore end and grip cap
3) hand fitting
4) hand lapped and hand bedded, highly polished barrel

The particle Model "C" I'm PURCHASING is chambered for .270 Win with a 24 barrel, no sights but a Weaver V9 Micro-trac scope. It's been a "safe queen" all it's days, running 98-99% condition metal and wood.


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Okay, you can't act like a human being.


Carry on....
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Originally Posted by alpinecrick


Okay, you can't act like a human being.


Carry on....
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And you are not even smart enough to BE Human.

GFY.

Bye.


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Originally Posted by olgrouser
Thanks for your responses. A little update...

The 700 "C" according to the 1967 "Shooters Bible" came with the following features:

1) target rifle trigger pull
2) hand checkered walnut stocks, rosewood fore end and grip cap
3) hand fitting
4) hand lapped and hand bedded, highly polished barrel

The particle Model "C" I'm PURCHASING is chambered for .270 Win with a 24 barrel, no sights but a Weaver V9 Micro-trac scope. It's been a "safe queen" all it's days, running 98-99% condition metal and wood.


What does the amount wood figure look like?

They do vary a bit. The fancier the wood the higher the value-

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Do a Google search with Remington Custom Shop grade C and you'll find none that went for less than a grand. There're 3 thousand list new

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
Do a Google search with Remington Custom Shop grade C and you'll find none that went for less than a grand. There're 3 thousand list new


Exactly.

m700 "C" grades have been over $2,000 new for about 10 years now.


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But for every one that sells for $1000+, there are those that don't sell at all. Or sell for less.

It's kinda' like M700 Classics. One sold for $600 on the classifeds here recently, then there are a half dozen that sold for less, or not at all.

But everybody remembers the high priced one that sold.

As realtors like to say--Everybody remembers the $200k home that sold for $220k, but everybody forgets about the other nine $200k houses that sold for $190K.

But if you find a minty 99% condition 1970's era BDL or Classic, it is worth more too.



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The walnut is a simply fiddleback probably only AA grade, not as highly figured as some of the later rifles I've seen. The tiger striping is consistent front to back, evenly on both sides.


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Originally Posted by alpinecrick

But for every one that sells for $1000+, there are those that don't sell at all. Or sell for less.

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Pull your head out of your ass, dummy.

Stop making schit up to prop up your lame argument.

Show any of us ONE documented case in the last year where a mint condition custom shop Remington m700 "C" grade-In ANY caliber ,of ANY vintage- sold for less than a grand.

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Originally Posted by olgrouser
The walnut is a simply fiddleback probably only AA grade, not as highly figured as some of the later rifles I've seen. The tiger striping is consistent front to back, evenly on both sides.


Well, wood figure type is a matter of taste, but full fiddleback the length of the stock would definitely be "C" grade wood.


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