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Hi RickyD
No, it's not my web sites. Sorry if it looks that way. I use the web sites to inform others about learning the culture of the land of Israel and the Jewish people where it all started so that they can understand the Bible better. The Bible web site is the Bible I use. It can be downloaded from the web site I gave out to look over. It has the Hebrew Idioms in the translation. I�m a Messianic Nazarene. ( Jews who love Jesus )


30-30 Man

30-30
I guess I didn't look at the site too long. I didn't see anything to download, just to buy. I'll check back sometime.

Are Hebrew Idioms like letters or characters? I have seen Hebrew Bibles. Gorgeous writing! Not enough like English to work for me, though.

Back in my twenties I went to a Messianic Jewish Passover. It was a good experience from a historical perspective. At that age I remember being disappointed in the food <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />. I don't remember much more than that.

Do Jesus believing Jews keep all the feasts and traditions or just certain ones? I suppose ya'll have a few denominations by now so maybe some keep more than others. No offense intended: just some tongue in cheek speculation born of genuine interest.

welcome, 3030man.

idiom

1. a. The form of speech peculiar or proper to a people or country; own language or tongue.

1. b. In narrower sense: That variety of a language which is peculiar to a limited district or class of people; dialect.

2. The specific character, property, or genius of any language; the manner of expression which is natural or peculiar to it

3. a. A form of expression, grammatical construction, phrase, etc., peculiar to a language; a peculiarity of phraseology approved by the usage of a language, and often having a signification other than its grammatical or logical one.
(Ken's notes:
Bible example: "hate not" � Luke 14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple� Hebrew idiom for "prefer."
English example: "leave me alone" for "quit bothering me.")

(excerpts from The Oxford English Dictionary, with addenda by The Ol' Guy)

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The proof is in the pudding when it comes to teachers........

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� and cryptic gibberish makes one seem profound and wise only to himself and gullible fools.

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Max O'Bucks spent his life and his immense fortune searching for a wise man who could tell him the meaning of life. His last expedition, which bankrupted him, was a weak foray into farthest Tibet to inquire of the lama who Max had heard was the wisest man in the world.

A violent storm finally drove the last of his sherpas to desert him, and left him starved, nearly frozen, on the rim of death.

Tibetans from the remote village that he sought found him barely (and not for long) alive and took him to their village. When he learned where they'd taken him, he demanded that they take him to the wise old lama instead of treating him.

In the presence of the wise old lama, the dying Max was too weak to stand. From where he lay on the floor, he weakly asked the wise old lama the burning question that had consumed his life.

"What is life?"

"My son," the wise old lama intoned, "life is a spring." And he said no more but leaned back in his chair and closed his eyes.

"Why, you pompous old fraud!" Max exclaimed, momentarily strengthened by rage. "I've spent millions in search of the answer to that question, and I've lived just barely long enough to ask you, who're supposed to be the wisest man in the world. And all that you can tell me is 'Life is a spring'?"

The old lama's eyes opened wide as he sat upright in sudden surprise.

"You mean," he asked, "life � isn't � a spring?"

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hoot!

I've met more than a few "teachers" in my day who thought they were a little bit more special than they really were. They always were puffed up with pride and did no real "work" for the kingdom of God. When something needed to be done that would not put them as the center of attention, or would require sacrifice or take them out of there comfort zone, then they would always find an excuse to bow out.

Like I said, the proof is in the pudding when it comes to teachers. If they have their hands to the plow producing good fruit, then I'll listen to what they have to say. Anybody can find a group of people to nod and agree with anything and everything they say.

Also, I've never met a good teacher who boasted about being a teacher..................

What you have described are not teachers. One called to be a teacher has no ego when it comes to teaching.

MB,

That's because we tend to heap to ourselves teachers having itching ears. While it's OK to reject the "personalities" of
those we don't appreciate, just remember God could use
a rock or even an ass to speak his truth.

Ever wonder why the Spirit tells so many versions of "truth"
to so many different people? You know teachers, as well as the other four of the five-fold ministry were given to lead
the church (real church - believers) into a "unity of faith". or
ONE DOCTRINE! If we have put on the mind of Christ, why is it we believe so many different things?

How do we tell a real teacher from a puffed up false teacher?
How about angels of light? Do we really believe that ignorant
men, regardless of their good intent, know they are both
blind and naked? And have fallen into a ditch.

While I really try to avoid judging men....I sure am a "fruit"
inspector! I judge thusly:

The Apostle Paul validated his ministry this way:

Whereof I was made a minister by the grace of God
and the effectual working of His power. This and the admonition of Peter not to do Gods work for filthy lucre
causes me to come to the following conclusion:


A minister MUST be enjoying the grace of God

He must be able to effectually use God's power.
(Moses struggled with this)(So did Samson)

He must freely give what God has given and not for filthy
lucres sake. If he takes money, he has not waited on his
own instructions and does not understand the scriptures.

For me, and my household, anyone who does not meet the
above qualifications is just another tinkling sound of brass
caused by every wind of doctrine.

Does that mean I think they are all unsaved? Heavens no!
But it does mean that they are merely the blind leading the
blind! And thus really ineffectual. How many so-called
ministers today even have Gods' power, let alone use it
effectually?

Finding truth is not an intellectual endeavor...it is a spiritual
one. Remember the truth is divinely hidden from the
wise and prudent? A human teacher can only lead you to
the living water....It is the job of the Holy Spirit to convict
and convince...And it is we, who must decide to drink or not.

Jesus of Nazareth was the epitome of a good, sound, reliable teacher. Saul of Tarsus was no slouch. If acceptance and rejection by their hearers and peers had been the indices of their legitimacy, they'd have been miserable failures.

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Blaine,

I disagree brother....all men have egos....a true teacher
will have it under subjection by exercising self-control
and relying on the source of our strength.

I consider Jesus and Paul as perfect successes including the indices you mention and view each without peer.

I guess if God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16) can't teach a man, then the problem is not with the teacher, but with the man himself. Saul had some problems as well. I'm thinking of Alexander the coppersmith and Philetus and Hymenaeus. It wasn't the problem with the teacher, but the students.

Anyone who is a teacher knows that some students learn more quickly than others, and some are just plain hard to get through to. (I wish someone would teach me English. I just dangled two prepositions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

Hi RickyD
Glad to help if I can. See example of Idioms below. And yes, we keep all the Biblical feasts.

Shalom ( Peace )
30-30 Man
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Meet John, John Idiom. John is a middle-aged businessman stuck in the rat race of life. He had planned a corporate outdoor picnic until the rain clouds violently rolled in. John was so mad he blew a fuse because of the wet conditions. His big plans were now ruined and he was boiling over. "It's raining cats and dogs," he complained to himself. A meteorologist had told him, straight from the horses' mouth, that it was supposed to rain hard. John thought his friend was just pulling his leg, yet now he was really up the creek without a paddle. How could John host a cookout with mouthwatering burgers in the pouring rain? "Well, I guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles", John said under his breath as he pushed his grill back to his carport. He worried that because of this failure, his boss would give him the axe. Poor John.
As we might guess, John Idiom is a fictional character, yet his life is just like ours - full of clich�s and idiomatic expressions to explain life.

What is an idiom?
Idioms are words that can't be taken literally and don't always stick out like a sore thumb. This is because we have grown up using idioms to color our speech and express ourselves. Comments like "a bull in a china shop" and "when the cows come home," fill the English language. One web site says that an idiom is "a manner of speaking that is natural to native speakers of a certain language." Idioms add lively ideas to our speech. These phrases have been adapted into our language over the years, to the point where, they have become part of normal speech. They are word pictures that describe situations vividly. Yet, idioms can also be very confusing.

They are confusing because they don't mean what they say. When we say to someone that "the cat's got your tongue," we are not really suggesting that a ferocious feline attacked the person's mouth. Instead, we are actually expressing that the person doesn't have anything to say. Go figure.

Perhaps, we remember the use of the word "bad" in the 1980's that suggested something was actually "good." Was Michael Jackson's dancing good or bad? Who knows?
This can be very confusing! Idioms can also be very frustrating to a foreigner who tries to comprehend words literally. It is easy to be misled by word-for-word speech because people don't really "spill the beans" when they have something special to say. We can't, really "kill time." We even attempt to convey complex ideas, by using a single word or title, such as "America." Do we even know the origin and past, of these words, or their meaning? Probably not.

Every language and dialect has its own collection of sayings that imply and suggest thoughts, naturally. For example, when a teen says you are "off the chain," they are actually giving you their seal of approval. Such an age-specific phrase as this, like many idioms, doesn't cross the culture barrier very easily. People learning a new language; usually translate individual words, to understand what is being communicated. Our minds take in foreign information word-for-word, instead of thought-for-thought. So, just as the phrase "absent without leave" would easily confuse a person new to English, many Hebrew idioms that are hidden within the Scriptures have misled millions.

OK, I see what your context is now. Give me some examples of how misunderstandings of these idioms materially misstate the scriptures.

"If he takes money, he has not waited on his own instructions and does not understand the scriptures."

You need to study the New Testament passages regarding the legitimacy of compensation for shepherds, teachers, etc.

In 1st Timothy 5:17 (Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.), the words double honor, in the culture of the time, meant twice the normal compensation (not just the appreciative affection of those who've been blessed by their teaching), and the word doctrine has always meant, literally, teaching.

1st Corinthians 9:9 (For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn) and 1st Timothy 5:18 (For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward) certainly indicate beyond question that God doesn't expect His legitimate Body leaders to lead merely for the sake of good feelings all around.

I've labored hard in that vineyard, and I'm here to tell you that it leaves you with mixed feelings to hear � not just once but often � "you've brought the best teaching that I've ever heard! You so blessed my understanding that I sent five hundred dollars to Oral Roberts University" (when I was hurting with the need for as little as five dollars).

Once, I got a frantic call to go minister to a man in distress about 250 miles away. I went. Spent all afternoon and all night at it. Drove home. Carol Anne came to the door as I got out of the van. "They need you back." I got back in the van and drove back. Spent another afternoon and night at it. Never got a dime; never asked for any. Par for the course.

"Not for filthy lucre" in many Christians' thinking means you aren't supposed to need anything and that you're supposed to minister as if you have a money tree in your back yard, to provide hand-outs to them as you go. Been there. Done that. Never got a tee shirt. Only blisters, calluses, back aches, and hunger � from subsisting on hot thank-you soup made with shadows boiled in dehydrated water.

Anybody whose ego drives him to follow that course with any expectation of personal gain is a fool. The lucre ain't there, either filthy or sterile. "Not for filthy lucre" doesn't mean that those who are blessed by good teaching are entitled to get it for nothing.

Teachers deserve abundant compensation, including material compensation (the Bible says so), but that shouldn't be their sole motivation or even their primary motivation. Not demanding it is one thing � not being given it and not accepting it are entirely different matters. Giving it and accepting it are both legitimate and proper. The Bible says so. Emphatically. Go look. You'll see that I'm giving you "the straight of the goods."

Study the word on this subject and lean not unto your own judgement.

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280don,
I agree that a ministry must not be for the sake of compensation but I also agree with Ken that the worker serving from his heart is worth his hire. I'll pray for that double portion for them.

I'm not sure what your second sentence means or where such is related in the Scriptures.

Rick

Ken , maybe you been spending too much time ' splainin' the big words. Some of the class is having trouble with "if ".