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#5028352 - 03/10/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: efw]  
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EFW, well worded.
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#5028408 - 03/10/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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Originally Posted by TheProRifle
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
+1.....another self righteous keyboard warrior's opinion of something he is totally clueless about.

Said the genius with 1500 posts.
Ha ha ha!!!
-=tpr=-



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#5030400 - 03/10/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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Originally Posted by TheProRifle
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
+1.....another self righteous keyboard warrior's opinion of something he is totally clueless about.

Said the genius with 1500 posts.
Ha ha ha!!!
-=tpr=-


WTF?

#5032587 - 03/11/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: Steelhead]  
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SH, Last weekend I got the chance to meet JB at the RMEF convention, Pretty sure most of you guys would really like the guy, very helpful, and very knowledgeable, and loves to hunt and shoot, a good guy in my book!

#5032621 - 03/11/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: Ackleyfan]  
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That doesn't surprise me at all Ackleyfan.


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#5032999 - 03/11/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: BradArnett]  
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Someone makes a disparaging remark about me, and they get it right back (I'm sure he's a lovely guy with a lot of knowledge), but last time I checked, being permitted to defend one's own views is part of being American.

There's this weird bitch-click up here. It would be nice to keep it civil, but you guys get kind of bull-headed and rattle off knee-jerk reactions like a bunch of lines you've learned and got saved up.

I've read it for a long, long time, it's apparent that it's not the place for me. But that's okay.

Have fun guys.
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#5033112 - 03/11/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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ok!

#5033841 - 03/11/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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Originally Posted by TheProRifle
Someone makes a disparaging remark about me, and they get it right back (I'm sure he's a lovely guy with a lot of knowledge), but last time I checked, being permitted to defend one's own views is part of being American.

There's this weird bitch-click up here. It would be nice to keep it civil, but you guys get kind of bull-headed and rattle off knee-jerk reactions like a bunch of lines you've learned and got saved up.

I've read it for a long, long time, it's apparent that it's not the place for me. But that's okay.

Have fun guys.
-=tpr=-



You may try to stop talking out your ass, that'd prolly help.It is hard for some to connect the dots tho.

#5035488 - 03/12/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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I kept it civil but you didn't care to engage the logic of my argument.

Sounds like maybe you would be best served starting your own board where anyone who challenges you can have his priveleges revoked.

Then you can converse with yourself about all you know and your vast experience and hear nothing but compliments on your wisdom and depth.


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There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

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#5035969 - 03/12/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: efw]  
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Originally Posted by efw
I kept it civil but you didn't care to engage the logic of my argument.

Sounds like maybe you would be best served starting your own board where anyone who challenges you can have his priveleges revoked.

Then you can converse with yourself about all you know and your vast experience and hear nothing but compliments on your wisdom and depth.


I have no problem with you, your sarcasm however pulls the rug from beneath you argument. I asked you how you justified those longer shots. You replied saying you personally didn't, and that 300 yards was your tops. That's fine, I respect that. My beef is with those that spit out the "dumbass" one-liners. It's very "highschool" and I can't hold a conversation with that mentality, it's not worth it. I have worked with computers for over twenty five years and spend too much time in front of screens to apportion any of it to people who while only slinging 5hit, can't even do it in an actual sentence.

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#5036043 - 03/12/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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I did address how I justify such shots. I said that those I know who seek shots that you and I would consider long range do so after much practice and knowing their limitations. As a matter of fact, they likely know their limitations better than I do because they shoot a lot more than me.

I'd love to get to the point where my limitations were increased due to practice and a rifle built for long range hunting. I'll take a 600+ yard shot on game when I've been clanging steel with regularity and encountered conditions similar to those in the field, I'll go ahead and take something at what may be considered "long range".

Problem is, you said yourself that you don't know things for certain, and then turned around and said that you DO know for certain that no one ought to take the shots you're arguing against.

So which is it?


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There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
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#5036607 - 03/12/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: efw]  
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Originally Posted by efw

So which is it?

I did say that I understand that nothing is for certain. I also said I don't take chances. The confusion arises when folk are not willing to make the differentiation between deliberately taking unnecessary chances, versus accepting inevitable risks. They then follow by trying to qualify their chances-taking either as sport or as an entitlement merely because they have pony'd up the cash for five tags that they want to fill. From what you have told me, I can see that you don't do that. Like many others, I am not convinced that the folk in that video aren't taking any unnecessary chances. I personally find that irresponsible, and furthermore damaging to a common cause that we all share, all in the name of selling product or service (read disservice). That is my take on it, which may be of interest—as the views of others are to me—to anyone here who has more to contribute beyond shallow high-school jip, however much of an expert they, or others think they are.

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#5044223 - 03/14/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: TheProRifle]  
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I think that one guy that keeps showin up in that video is pretty anoying.

Those guys must smell bad so they can't get any closer. grin grin


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#5072300 - 03/22/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: JohnBurns]  
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John,

Have you ever thought of making some custom made 22 lr pistols using Leupold pistol eer variable scopes with your custom modifications in a Browning or a Ruger?

I think that they would be kind of like an entry level system to get people into the skill sets necessary and the taste to get people to step up to the plate for your system.

You show a sort of modified ruger 22 in your Shooting beyond belief dvd series and I was just wondering if that was an avenue that you had thought about.

A custom XP100 or 600 pistol hand rifle system might be interesting as well.

Just Thinking out loud.

Sincerely,
Thomas

#5100826 - 03/31/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: tunni]  
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Originally Posted by tunni
NOTE FROM DAD, I'M GOING TO CONFESS TO HAVING BEEN JOHN'S STEP DAD, HIS MOM AND I WERE TOGETHER FOR TEN YEARS,WE CALLED HIM JACK BACK THEN, ALSO SCOTT'S UNCLE. I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT JOHN IS DOING TODAY STARTED WHEN STILL IN DIAPERS AND HAS NOT LET UP TO DATE. I COULD'T KEEP HIM OUT OF MY RELOADING STUFF,RIFLES,PISTOLS ETC. HE AND BUDDIES WERE HUNTING AND SHOOTING EVERY EVENING AFTER SCHOOL. JOHN, SCOTT AND I HUNTED TOGETHER SINCE THEY WERE JUST BIG ENOUGH TO CARRY SLING SHOTS. BY THE WAY, I NEVER SAW EITHER LOOSE A ANIMAL. BOTH THESE GUYS AND OTHER PARTNERS IN GREYBULL PRECISON HIGH QUALITY INDIVIDUALS, AND 24 HR CAMPFIRE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM AROUND. IN MY OPINION, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN LONG RANGE PRECISION HUNTING, OR PUNCHING HOLES IN TARGETS, OR SHOOTING ROCKS LIKE JOHN DOES FOR PRACTICE, THEN LET SOMEONE ELSE HAVE ALL THOSE UNUSED RIFLES AND GET A SHOOTER, YOU ONLY NEED ONE. JUST A WORD FROM A PROUD DAD, FOR A YOUNG MAN LIVING HIS DREAM--BY THE WAY, AND YOU HAVE TO BE OLD TO REMEMBER THIS--IT WAS DIZZY DEAN--AND IT WAS, IF YOU DONE IT, IT AIN'T BRAGGIN
Very well said kind Sir.
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#5478282 - 08/01/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: bigmac]  
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Pro whiffle will probably take offense to John shooting rocks....

Claiming you need to be closer, because those poor rocks deserve some respect as well. crazy

#5619703 - 09/14/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: JohnBurns]  
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JMHO...but this is some great shooting, but some poor "hunting"

#5635087 - 09/19/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: trsmith18]  
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Originally Posted by trsmith18
JMHO...but this is some great shooting, but some poor "hunting"

Define hunting.


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#5701863 - 10/11/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: Magnumdood]  
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Ask a hundred people and you'll get a hundred different "right" answers. In the July 2011 issue of Petersen's Hunting, Mike Schoby went on a tirade in his editorial about the ethics of long range hunting.

In it, he criticizes a television show that promotes long range hunting and contends it isn't fair chase. Schoby indicated that he shared an elk camp with some inexperienced hunters who were "Kool-Aid-drinking fans" of the show and said they had a "fatal flaw" and were "looking for and easier way of being successful."

He rebukes those who rely on technology to make up for deficiencies in expertise and experience. Schoby went on to say, "I feel sorry for the folks who buy into this stuff" and "long range surgical strikes remove much of the experience of why we hunt."

Last year, I was at my local archery shop talking smack with one of the owners when I guy came in to get his bow restrung. I guess he thought he had the right audience and started yacking about how he only hunted with a bow. He thought the vast majority of rifle hunters were slobs who had limited skills and didn't think that harvesting an animal at "hunderd" yards was ethical or sportsmanlike.

I wonder how Schoby would defend his use of centerfire rifles wearing glass to this guy. Even an entry level Savage rifle and Bushnell scope is pretty sweet "technology" from a historical perspective. It sure takes more skill to kill with stick and string than a .30-06. If that's the case, why doesn't he eschew firearms and use a bow if it's all about experiencing the outdoors and proving your skill set a hunter?

I think debating the ethics of how we hunt and why we hunt is healthy. However, it's obvious that some drink too much of their own Kool-Aid like Mike Schoby. He makes its clear that why and how "he" hunts is also why and how "we" should hunt. Schoby references Boone and Crockett's definition of fair chase in that animals should be hunted "in a manner that does not give the hunter improper advantage."

When it comes to killing schit, what's the proper way and what's the improper way? After four decades of hunting, I'm relatively entrenched on the why and how I hunt, but I'm not going try to bend you to my will. I just can't understand why so many are myopically bent on overlaying their subjective ethical positions on others.



#5733788 - 10/21/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: BlueK9]  
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Excellent post BlueK9!

Bob



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#5736073 - 10/21/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: JohnBurns]  
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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I think that one guy that keeps showin up in that video is pretty anoying.

Those guys must smell bad so they can't get any closer. grin grin


Agreed ! that scoundrel tried to sneak up on me frying bacon last summer....grin


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#5762995 - 10/30/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: JohnBurns]  
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John,
Can you tell me what stock you are using in your videos?
Thanks

#5773360 - 11/02/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: JohnBurns]  
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John,
also noticed in your video that you reference a PHB bullet. Does that stand for premier hunting bullet, or is it the Nosler Partition PHB ?
If not can you tell me what bullet you are using?

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#5773513 - 11/02/11 Re: Greybull Precision in action [Re: Trueblue]  
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Originally Posted by Trueblue
John,
Can you tell me what stock you are using in your videos?
Thanks


Just a guess but Id say a greybull precision stock. IMO a great stock and I love mine!


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