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How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? #5113861 04/03/11
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OP RatherBHuntin Campfire Tracker R Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,902	Looking at an older stainless, synthetic 700 in 270 with a blind magazine (adl style). Is there any specific markings that makes something a "mountain rifle" model??

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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? RatherBHuntin #5113884 04/03/11
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Paul Walukewicz Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 7,893 finally home in Alaska!!!	the skinny barrel is the give away... I can't spell... Deal with it...

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? RatherBHuntin #5113893 04/03/11
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Grasshopper Campfire Tracker G Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,435 Middle of the "Mitten"	RatherB- Remington's first foray into the area of stainless rifles was in 1993. They made them in .25/06, .270, .280, and .30-06 (As well as 7mm rem Mag, and .300 win) The standard calibers were Mtn Rifle contour barrels. Stocks appear to be Lee Six. At least I have a Lee Six stock and it appears identical to my SS/Syn, Mtn rifle stock... They were made only one year, then in 1994 they became BDL's with standard barrel contours... HTH- GH "As you walk thru life, don't be surprised that there are fewer people that you encounter seeking truth than those seeking confirmation of what they already believe!"

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Paul Walukewicz #5113894 04/03/11
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dubePA Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 4,771 PA	He could take it to Swaimpee's and have him take a look? He'd know right off. Could likely spot one from a hunnert yards or so. If three or more people think you're a dimwit, chances are at least one of them is right.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? dubePA #5116184 04/04/11
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sactoller Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,706 Weatherford, TX	Originally Posted by dubePA He could take it to Swaimpee's and have him take a look? He'd know right off. Could likely spot one from a hunnert yards or so. Even while driving by on his golf cart! Official member of "The Clan of Turd-like People"

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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? dubePA #5116461 04/04/11
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by dubePA He could take it to Swaimpee's and have him take a look? He'd know right off. Could likely spot one from a hunnert yards or so. Nah, Swamp is far from any sort of Remington expert

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Oldelkhunter #5116466 04/04/11
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Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,347	That's funny....... 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? sactoller #5116468 04/04/11
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DakotaDeer Campfire Ranger D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,884	Mountain barrel contour is about .55 at 22". Standard contour is about .66 at 22".

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5116501 04/04/11
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by Swampman700 That's funny....... Coming from the guy that couldn't tell a Mountain Rifle stock from a regular BDL Stock...If the shoe fits

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5116504 04/04/11
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sactoller Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,706 Weatherford, TX	Originally Posted by Swampman700 That's funny....... Funny cuz it's true! Official member of "The Clan of Turd-like People"

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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? sactoller #5116521 04/04/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5116548 04/04/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Tom264 #5116571 04/04/11
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Dusty246 Campfire Regular D Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,706 NJ	You can tell it's a Mountain Rifle when you carry it all day then swap guns with your buddies BDL 7 Mag and he says, "Holy [bleep] this is light."

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5116580 04/04/11
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sactoller Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,706 Weatherford, TX	Originally Posted by Swampman700 If you only knew who I am....... Tard of the year, I'm guessing. Official member of "The Clan of Turd-like People"

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5116880 04/04/11
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Klikitarik Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 17,491 Alaska - N63º, W162º	Originally Posted by Swampman700 If you only knew who I am....... Living in the South.......guessing you probably live in SC......and work in the Winchester plant, an effort to assist in Remington's quality control. Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5116923 04/04/11
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Tom264 Campfire Ranger T Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 24,851 USA	Originally Posted by Swampman700 If you only knew who I am....... Lee24? .

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Tom264 #5116936 04/04/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? AJD #5117032 04/04/11
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Guyz...I keep tellin' you...we can use Swampy as a contra-indicator... If he says its a BDL...its not.. If he says its a Mt. rifle...its not If he says its not accurate...it is.. and so forth.. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Paul Walukewicz #5117070 04/04/11
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PitkinCO Campfire Greenhorn P Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 46	Originally Posted by Paul Walukewicz the skinny barrel is the give away... ^this. I have one from '93 and the people at Remington weren't much help with the serial number when i got it used, at least the guy I talked to wasn't, tried to tell me it was a BDL serial number. Check the barrel stamp to determine the year of manufacture and then just measure the barrel dimensions if you can. Hope it works out. Mine appeared to be a safe queen when I got it last year and is still pretty much stock and shoots like a house a fire.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? ingwe #5117073 04/04/11
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sactoller Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,706 Weatherford, TX	Originally Posted by ingwe Guyz...I keep tellin' you...we can use Swampy as a contra-indicator... If he says its a BDL...its not.. If he says its a Mt. rifle...its not If he says its not accurate...it is.. and so forth.. The 'Isaac' of rifles! Official member of "The Clan of Turd-like People"

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? sactoller #5117198 04/04/11
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by sactoller The 'Isaac' of rifles! EXACTAMUNDO! "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? ingwe #5117330 04/04/11
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dubePA Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 4,771 PA	Natcherly, youse all realize the basic interpretation of Isaac in Hebrew, means laughter? If three or more people think you're a dimwit, chances are at least one of them is right.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? PitkinCO #5117586 04/05/11
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Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,347	Originally Posted by PitkinCO pretty much stock and shoots like a house a fire. A given, it's a Remington...... 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5117750 04/05/11
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tscott Campfire Regular T Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,028 North Carolina	Went to a gun show... 20 miles from the Remington Hqrs. At the Remington exhibit, I asked the same question. 3 people with green shirts, and Rem. logo, could not answer... Finally a woman came out from behind the green Rem. curtin "Mountains are BDL's".. Maybe they were just trying to confuse.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? DakotaDeer #5119735 04/05/11
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OP RatherBHuntin Campfire Tracker R Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,902	Originally Posted by DakotaDeer Mountain barrel contour is about .55 at 22". Standard contour is about .66 at 22". Thanks, this helps. I'll check it out next time I'm at the store where it sits.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? tscott #5119781 04/05/11
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Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383	Originally Posted by tscott Went to a gun show... 20 miles from the Remington Hqrs. At the Remington exhibit, I asked the same question. 3 people with green shirts, and Rem. logo, could not answer... Finally a woman came out from behind the green Rem. curtin "Mountains are BDL's".. Maybe they were just trying to confuse. I have been to a few different shows where Remington People show up. Hopefully they are not anyone in engineering because they are dumber then Swampy. Last edited by Oldelkhunter; 04/06/11. Reason: grammar UGH

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Oldelkhunter #5120203 04/05/11
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Grasshopper Campfire Tracker G Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,435 Middle of the "Mitten"	Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I have been to a few different shows where Remington People show up. Hopefully these are not anyone in engineering because they are dumber then Swampy. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps one of those "Green Shirts" actually is Swampy? (God forbid...) GH "As you walk thru life, don't be surprised that there are fewer people that you encounter seeking truth than those seeking confirmation of what they already believe!"

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Grasshopper #5120502 04/05/11
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dubePA Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 4,771 PA	I can easily picture him behind a green curtain...pullin' levers and soundin' like The Great Oz? If three or more people think you're a dimwit, chances are at least one of them is right.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Grasshopper #5120506 04/05/11
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by Grasshopper Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I have been to a few different shows where Remington People show up. Hopefully these are not anyone in engineering because they are dumber then Swampy. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps one of those "Green Shirts" actually is Swampy? (God forbid...) GH Actually...that might explain the 710 and 770..... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Tom264 #5120563 04/05/11
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RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ	Originally Posted by Tom264 Well who am you? He might be related to John Lewis from Carolina Precision Rifles.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? ingwe #5120736 04/05/11
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Grasshopper Campfire Tracker G Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,435 Middle of the "Mitten"	Originally Posted by ingwe Actually...that might explain the 710 and 770..... LMAO here... That's the best explanation that I've heard... "As you walk thru life, don't be surprised that there are fewer people that you encounter seeking truth than those seeking confirmation of what they already believe!"

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5120742 04/05/11
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tzone Campfire 'Bwana T Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip	Originally Posted by Swampman700 If you only knew who I am....... If we only gave a [bleep].... Camp is where you make it.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Grasshopper #5121703 04/06/11
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Hook Campfire Regular H Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,958 The Heart of Dixie	Originally Posted by Grasshopper RatherB- Remington's first foray into the area of stainless rifles was in 1993. They made them in .25/06, .270, .280, and .30-06 (As well as 7mm rem Mag, and .300 win) The standard calibers were Mtn Rifle contour barrels. Stocks appear to be Lee Six. At least I have a Lee Six stock and it appears identical to my SS/Syn, Mtn rifle stock... They were made only one year, then in 1994 they became BDL's with standard barrel contours... HTH- GH The only thing I can add is that they have the inletted target type crown, or at least that's what I call it. I ordered mine as soon as they came out in 1992 because, 1) I wanted a stainless all weather rifle and 2) I wanted a 280. I killed my first deer with it on Jan 8, 1993, and have killed a bunch more with it since. If it helps you at all, the SN on mine is S6219XXX.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Hook #5129944 04/08/11
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6MMWASP Campfire Tracker 6 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,819 Montana	1 of the old stainless ADL Mountain rifles I have, had MTR or Mountain Rifle , something like that imprinted on the inside of the tupperware stock. Barrel contour is easy to tell the difference. Last edited by 6MMWASP; 04/08/11.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? 6MMWASP #5143872 04/13/11
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BOW777 Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,659 Florida	What is the going price on one of these as I have one in 30/06? Only thing is that mine has a recoil reducer on it. I found this information as well on the Mountain Rifle. This is not my info, so I cant vouch for it but seems all good info. Hope this helps as well. By pouring over old Remington catalogs I think I may have solved the mystery of your rifle. Remington didn�t offer (catalog) a stainless-steel M700 until 1992. In 1992 the very first M700 in stainless was called the Model 700 Stainless Synthetic. That rifle chambered .270 Winchester featured a blind magazine and a 24-inch barrel. Here are photos of the relevant pages in the 1992 Remington catalog. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/RemingtonM700StainlessSynthetic002.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/RemingtonM700StainlessSynthetic001.jpg In 1993 that model was changed to the Remington Model 700 BDL Stainless Synthetic, and as a BDL it then featured a hinged floor plate. Also in 1993 Remington introduced what it called the Model 700 Mountain Rifle Stainless Synthetic. It featured a blind magazine and a slimmed-down mountain profile 22-inch barrel. Here are photos of the relevant pages in the 1993 Remington catalog. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/RemingtonM700StainlessSynthetic003.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/RemingtonM700StainlessSynthetic005.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/RemingtonM700StainlessSynthetic004.jpg Given all that, it would seem that barrel profile and length should tell us exactly which model you have. If the barrel on your rifle is 24 inches in length and of a standard sporting contour you would appear to have a 1992 Remington Model 700 Stainless Synthetic. But if your rifle has a 22-inch barrel with a slimmed down mountain profile, you then have a 1993 Remington Model 700 Mountain Rifle Stainless Synthetic. Measure your rifle�s barrel length and tell us what you have. Last edited by BOW777; 04/13/11. When Ronald Reagan was president, we had Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now that Barack Obama is president, we have NO hope and NO cash.

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5146608 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Patrick_James #5146616 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? Swampman700 #5146807 04/14/11
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sactoller Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,706 Weatherford, TX	Originally Posted by Swampman700 No you really don't..... Enlighten us, ol' great one! Official member of "The Clan of Turd-like People"

Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? sactoller #5146815 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? ingwe #5146861 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? sactoller #5146874 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? ingwe #5146887 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? sactoller #5146894 04/14/11
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Re: How do you tell if a remington is a "mountain Rifle"...? ingwe #5146934 04/14/11
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