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I called Surgeon to ask some questions, one of which was how long I would have to wait for an action (wanted a 591 WSM action). I was told that they had the action I wanted in stock. I had also talked to Jim Borden and was considering a Rimrock action but he switched from 17-7 or similar stainless to 416 SS. I will not own an action made with 416 SS. His CM action were months out.

When I called Surgeon back the next day to order the action, they hummed and hawed and finally told me that they didn't have the action and couldn't give me a delivery date. That ruined it for them. Pierce was another matter altogether- they have their shop and office in order- answered every question and had reasonable shipping date. Never heard a bad thing about a Pierce either. I wouldn't buy a Predator because he uses 416SS for the actions. It's just a personal thing and it must work well for Jerry so I can't say anything bad about his actions.

I looked at a BAT at Bruno's- it was a bank vault!! It was pricey!! It was a 308 bolt face and I wanted magnum so I didn't buy it. The BAT has the smallest loading port and consequently, the most rigid of all the actions mentioned- if that means anything to you.

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Didn't know Jim switched from 15-5 to 416 stainless, did he say why he switched?

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Borden Alpine!

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Dennis,
The US Military thought enough of Stillers 416R receivers to buy a few million dollars worth.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...-2-million-to-build-navys-mk-13-actions/


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whats wrong with 416 stainless??

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
whats wrong with 416 stainless??

I believe 416 has no nickel content, where as 15-5 has 15% chromium and 5% nickel which makes the 15-5 more corrosion resistant!

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After it is Melonited it is corrosion resistant.
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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
After it is Melonited it is corrosion resistant.
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Is stiller using Melonite?

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I'll not ever buy another Stiller.....I'd like to try a Borden someday. Surgeon's are sweet but I would not use one for a sub 8 lb build. Nesika, BAT, Stolle, are all superb but are all too tight for a hunting rifle, IMO. Lately I'm thinking it's pretty hard to beat a trued up Remington with the prices of custom actions going through the roof.

Specialty rigs not withstanding, I find my needs are easily met with the Rem Model 7, Rem 700, and Rem 700 Ti........A good smith certianly helps!



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Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances? Borden uses .002, and I don't think it's too tight for a hunting rifle!

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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances?
Not sure the measurement, but mine was such a tight tolerence, cerekote could not be sprayed on action/bolt. KG was applied (still has slight friction). No play at all! Ackleyfan, obviosly your thinking of buying the best action made so have Bat turn down the bolt to your specs.

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I don't like the diamond flutes on my Bat, but it is necessary if it gets dirty.I'm hoping the bolt-firing pin mods help my Bat. Stiller is Meloniting the bolt bodies.
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Originally Posted by slg888
Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances?
Not sure the measurement, but mine was such a tight tolerence, cerekote could not be sprayed on action/bolt. KG was applied (still has slight friction). No play at all! Ackleyfan, obviosly your thinking of buying the best action made so have Bat turn down the bolt to your specs.


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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
Stiller is Meloniting the bolt bodies.
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Bat flutes are such a high smooth polish, the CM never get rust un-like my Predator did. Not familiar with Melonite & Stiller's new process, but I think it's 'sorta a high temp salt bath I've heard which helps prevent rust? Also heard it darkens SS/CM...correct Butch?

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Yes, Melonite is similar to the process performed on Glock slides. It is a hardening process that leaves the steel black when completed. It's not a coating. Here's a pic of my Stiller Predator 6mmbr repeater

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Originally Posted by darrenk75b
Yes, Melonite is similar to the process performed on Glock slides. It is a hardening process that leaves the steel black when completed. It's not a coating. Here's a pic of my Stiller Predator 6mmbr repeater

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Is it setup as a repeater,if so How does it feed, Are you using Bryants mag mod?
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Actually it is a low[900deg] salt bath. I have a few barrels that have the treatment. Does 2 things, more corrosion resistance and much longer barrel life. It has not affected the way the barrels shoot, either good or bad. I'll bet on a bolt it is very slick.
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Originally Posted by darrenk75b
Yes, Melonite is similar to the process performed on Glock slides. It is a hardening process that leaves the steel black when completed. It's not a coating. Here's a pic of my Stiller Predator 6mmbr repeater

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Really nice rig Darren, great combo!!


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Yes, it is a repeater with the Bryant mod. It feeds pretty well, especially since playing with the position of the spring under the follower. I have a freind who has a few 6brs on Remmy actions, and I love the positive ejection I get as well with the M16 extractor

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