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Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
SAAMI doesn't recognize "45ACP" either ... there is no such thing as 45ACP but nearly everyone calls 45AUTO 45ACP.

Put my in the "I hate .45 Long Colt" club.


I have several Colt 1911's that have .45 ACP stamped on the barrel. Are they wrong too?

John Browning designed the .45 Auto Colt Pistol cartridge (ACP for short). Is he wrong? Really?

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Been posted numerous times in links above.

Mike Venturino covered it well, as Elmer Keith did earlier.

45 Schofield length case, 45 Colt sized rim.

There also exists the 1909 DA 45 Colt cartridge, for the DA military revolvers of the time, which had a rim diameter larger than the 45 Colt of yesteryear and even today.



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Originally Posted by saddlesore
Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.



Nope, that's an easy one... "Why, .358 of course."

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Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.
They were probably '92s, which are pretty difficult to distinguish from '94s, especially at a glance. The 1892 Winchester was exceedingly popular in films due to its ability to ingest the popular "Five-in-One blanks" that were used on the sets. Same with the Colt SAA.

One of the most infamous cases was The Commancheros, a John Wayne offering set in 1836.


I heard a rumour once that right up till just before filming began the rifle to be used in the film "Winchester '73" was a '92. Not sure how true that is.

IIRC, when Jimmy Stewart "broke" those airborne targets with his '73, Herb Parsons was actually behind the scene breaking them with his 12 ga. Model 12...

What's film making got to do with reality..??.

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I thought he did it with his 71

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Why is it that ".45 Long Colt" gets so many people's underwear twisted in knots? Nobody gets bent out of shape about ".32-40 Winchester" or "38-55 Winchester" even though those cartridges were originally developed by Ballard & Marlin.

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Did anyone mention the .45 Auto Rim?

Perhaps the true .45 Short Colt.


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And how often do you hear people whine about .32-20 Marlin vs, .32 W.C.F. or .44-40 Marlin vs. .44 W.C.F. or .38-40 ....which really aught to be the .40-40.

It's endless.

Clearly ammo manufacturers identified the need for the .45 LC label very early in the marketing process. Adding "long" to a cartridge was not unlike "special" or "magnum". "Ultra Magnum"

It was just another way to say mine is bigger than yours.


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45 ACP? 45 Long Colt? Who cares.
If I shoot a .22 it might be cb, shorts, longs or long rifle. I still call it a .22.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
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There has never been an offical cartrdige by the name of 45 Long Colt.It is 45 Colt.I watched entire episode of Cowboys on RFDTV an the guy, a cowboy action shooter, was doing a program on 45 Colts. In all instances he kept referring to 45 Long Colt and how accurate he was in all his historical information.Then he went on to brag on his 45 "Long Colt" rifle and how that cartridge was used thru out the west in earlier times. When in fact the chambering of 45 Colts in rifles is only a fairly new thing with the advent of Cowboy Action matches. It was unheard of back in the days of 73 ,32 Winchesters and such.

44-40 was the most prevalent cartridge for those who chose to have the same round for thier hamdgun and rifle. 38 WCF,32-20 and other smaller cartridges were also popular. The 45 colt was only very popular in the handgun.

So if all you Cowboy shooters want to be historically correct,please start referring to it as the 45 Colt.

Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.

Rant over!!!!!



My pet peeve (OK one of) Is the people who talk of the non existing 41 special. For those here that do not know there was not a 41 special, short or S&W or Colt or whatever before the 41 magnum. It was designed and brought out as the 41 magnum not a lengthened version of a 41 whatever.

Yes I am nit picking but some nits need picked

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The .41 Long Colt cartridge was created in 1877 for Colt's double-action "Thunderer" revolver.

If we just stick to the 41 special EG a shorter cased version of the 41 mag and usable in such, of course it exists. It was developed after the 41 mag for custom revolvers and lighter 41 loads. While it was originally a home brew case, Starline does make a properly head stamped version of same. As for loaded ammo, I've not seen it, nor have I looked very hard.

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45 Colt, 45 Long Colt generally the same thing with me. I have about a half dozen firearms that fire the aforementioned cartridge. When I talk or write something about it I USUALLY say 45 Colt.

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The John Wayne movie referenced was "The Comanchero's" and I believe in the first credits or description that rolls it states it took place in 1848, not 1836. Which still puts it way out of Colt SAA and Win. 92's time frame. A lot of flintlock muskets used in movies were trapdoor's with a flintlock appearing mechanism added to them. As I always tell my wife, it's Hollywood. They neither know nor care very much. The Outlaw Josie Wales was loosely, very loosely based on a character local to where I live, Bill Wilson. Some of the...incidents were true to fact. In the nearly last scene of the movie where the guy who is hunting Josie Wales and Wales are having their conversation as Eastwood stands there dripping blood, he refers to Wales as "Mr. Wilson". I'm personally acquainted with the great grandson of Bill Wilson/Josie Wales and at one time he was going to borrow one of my 1860 Army revolvers for his re-enacting persona. Ended up he bought two of his own. He also wrote a short book on his predecessor. Interesting stuff.

As where I live was the end of the railroad in Missouri during the Civil War and there was two Union "forts", (loosely defined), in the immediate area, there's quite a bit of Civil War history close at hand. One was called Fort Wyman and I can't remember the other. As I understand it, the second was more of an outpost for Fort Wyman. A customer of mine gave me a couple Minie' balls that were found on the location of one of the forts.

Put me in the "45 Colt" column and I was aware of the 45 Colt and 45 Schofield confusion 50 years ago so, there is some historical precedence for "Long Colt" but it passed from use for 120 years until the advent of CAS shooting. I used to shoot CAS and my cartridge of choice, (NOT CALIBER), was the 32-20 WCF.


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It makes as much sense as calling the 270 WSM a short magnum. The nomenclature suggests there should be a long one.


Lol, there is, the 270 WB.


The .270 Weatherby (or Wby.)- was known as a "short magnum" when it appeared--as were many other rounds, including the 7mm Remington and .300 Winchester Magnums. This was because they were enough shorter than the .300 and .375 H&H (the two belted magnums first chamber by any American company) that they could fit in a ".30-06" length magazine.

It's always interesting how shooters get worked up about "correct" nomenclature.

It's also interesting how many shooter who complain about "common usage" can't spell all that well. Vince, no offense, but the phrase is "pet peeves," not "peaves."


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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It makes as much sense as calling the 270 WSM a short magnum. The nomenclature suggests there should be a long one.


Lol, there is, the 270 WB.


The .270 Weatherby (or Wby.)- was known as a "short magnum" when it appeared--as were many other rounds, including the 7mm Remington and .300 Winchester Magnums. This was because they were enough shorter than the .300 and .375 H&H (the two belted magnums first chamber by any American company) that they could fit in a ".30-06" length magazine.

It's always interesting how shooters get worked up about "correct" nomenclature.

It's also interesting how many shooter who complain about "common usage" can't spell all that well. Vince, no offense, but the phrase is "pet peeves," not "peaves."



Hey John. No offense,but it should read shooters,not shooter. grin

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Nomenclature and language have never been exacting over time, even among the most anal-retentive "experts". Seems to me that we ALL understand what someone is talking about when we hear "45 Long Colt". But "Colt 45" and "45 Colt" have definite ambiguity, as some see the ACP round as a "45 Colt", and they are correct. Yes, there have been a few "short" versions of the 45 caliber handgun round, even if they are not now known as "45 Short Colt".

Seems that a bunch of old codgers just like to look for things to complain about, and the weather is pleasant enough at the moment.


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Seems that a bunch of old codgers just like to look for things to complain about, and the weather is pleasant enough at the moment.


Yep,that's me.We don't look for things to complain about,we are only trying to educate you less than knowledgeable youngsters who think they know everything but it is evident they don't .

The 45 colt was the semi handgun produced by Colt in the Model 1911 , then 1911A, not the cartridge. The 45 in a revolver was not as common in the late 1800's. However, it was labeled a 45,not 45 long Colt when it did appear on the scene. When the 1911 came out, the cartridge was labeled the 45 ACP, not 45 Colt. Usually the 44-40 was more common as it was used in revolver and rifle. Today's 45 chambered rifles used in cowboy matches are a new thing.


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Now saddlesore, of course they know everything, just ask one anything.


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